# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 91
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1801 "2025-09-27T12:46:18Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > The equivalence that religions have the same beliefs and values, like soccer teams who get to wear different jerseys. Morality came before religion. Morality came before Homo Sapiens. Morality came before Hominidae. Morality came before Primates. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1802 "2025-09-27T12:56:37Z")
Tyler Robinson has been appointed an experienced defense [lawyer](https://abcnews.go.com/US/attorney-appointed-tyler-robinson-man-charged-fatally-shooting/story?id=125911686). The Governor of Utah is not going to shoot the kid. I anticipate a deal with jail time in Utah. Tyler will likely be out within 18 months. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1803 "2025-09-27T13:00:52Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > Tyler will likely be out within 18 months. No way. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1804 "2025-09-27T13:07:13Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > No way. Why not. It’s whatever gets the Governor re-elected. That is more related to LDS attitude toward redemption than political road kill. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1805 "2025-09-27T13:22:39Z")
Utah has a mandatory 15 years for first degree murder. This is a big case with a lot of enraged people wanting blood – they may not execute the guy but they’re not going to softball him. There’s no real leverage for a plea deal either, it seems like he’s caught pretty red handed. I don’t think the state of Utah is known for lenience when it comes to prison sentences, whatever the Mormon culture. 18 months is nothing. Utah voters would be outraged with that. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1806 "2025-09-27T13:24:27Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > Tyler will likely be out within 18 months. Do you really think that he will be released from prison during the Trump administration? I anticipate a life sentence with the possibility of parole in perhaps 20-25 years. Or perhaps no possibility of parole. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1807 "2025-09-27T13:27:33Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Enlightened liberalism that underpins the foundation of the US was born in Christian societies. That’s just historical fact. Care to give some examples? Because when I look up ‘enlightened liberalism’, I am presented with things like abolition, civil rights, women’s suffrage, universal schooling, and prison reform. Not exactly underpinnings of the foundation of this country. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1808 "2025-09-27T14:54:43Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Is anybody selling dashboard Charlies yet? It’s Halloween Season. Are any stores selling bloody Dead Charlie mannequins to put on front lawns…? ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1809 "2025-09-27T14:56:00Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Care to give some examples? > > Because when I look up ‘enlightened liberalism’, I am presented with things like abolition, civil rights, women’s suffrage, universal schooling, and prison reform. Not exactly underpinnings of the foundation of this country. I was talking about 18th century enlightenment in Europe. Which part would you like explained exactly? I think there are several reasons that happened in Europe and not say, the Middle East but I don’t really feel like entertaining that tangent. If I recall correctly this started because I said that the US was founded by (white) people who were overwhelmingly Christians. Not all evident statements need to be justified. If you can tie this back to the topic of this thread I’d be happy to engage. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1810 "2025-09-27T14:58:09Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > If you can tie this back to the topic of this thread I’d be happy to engage. That’ll be a first! ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1811 "2025-09-27T15:00:15Z")
Are you suggesting that the Enlightenment was an off-shoot of Christianity and not a response to it? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1812 "2025-09-27T15:03:36Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > I was talking about 18th century enlightenment in Europe. Which probably has more to do with the foundation of this country rather than its underpinnings. > [@Pedro](#): > > Not all evident statements need to be justified. If it’s indeed evident, it should easily be justified. But you choose not to do so, so I remain skeptical of your so-called evidence. > [@Pedro](#): > > If you can tie this back to the topic of this thread I’d be happy to engage. You’re the one who brought up the side topic. But, like others in this thread, I’m already finding it tiresome to engage with you. I’ll return to just sitting back and watching. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1813 "2025-09-27T15:12:19Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > You’re the one who brought up the side topic. It’d be nice if someone opened a new thread to not discuss with Pedro what Pedro has posted. Don’t look at me, I’ve started one thread in my 20 years here and I’m keeping it that way! ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1814 "2025-09-27T15:17:23Z")
Naw, our only hope is that Nurse Ratchet revokes his computer privilege. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1815 "2025-09-27T15:27:44Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Do you really think that he will be released from prison during the Trump administration? Probably wishful thinking on my part. I do believe he will initially get a sentence like you propose. That will roll through a series of modifications until he is released. On the other hand, if the defense attorney is looking for press exposure, she might take it to trial and win. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1816 "2025-09-27T16:12:42Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > Probably wishful thinking on my part. I’m not in favor of draconian prison sentences, but even I think a guy should get a fairly long sentence for murder. Why do you wish for a light sentence here? ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1817 "2025-09-27T16:38:45Z")
Good question. I put him in a category similar to Rittenhouse and Zimmerman. In my view both were guilty of first degree murder but got off due to legal technicalities. I can accept the same happening to Tyler Robinson. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1818 "2025-09-27T16:58:20Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > I put him in a category similar to Rittenhouse and Zimmerman. In my view both were guilty of first degree murder but got off due to legal technicalities. I can accept the same happening to Tyler Robinson. You can accept it… OK, I guess that was a big open question that has been answered. Pretty ironic that you keep attacking me for being so bad at this when your posts are so disjointed, vacuous and poorly written. I’m not even trying to be funny right now or trying to flame you. Rittenhouse and Zimmerman were acquitted. Which defense for Tyler Robinson could possibly lead to the same result inside a Universe that is internally consistent? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1819 "2025-09-27T17:16:54Z")
Great. Now we have TWO trolls. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1820 "2025-09-27T17:24:51Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > It’s Halloween Season. Are any stores selling bloody Dead Charlie mannequins to put on front lawns…? Too soon – literally. It’s a six-month lead to order something and get it imported for stuff like that, and that’s _after_ it has been designed and offered. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=90) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=92)