# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 92
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1821 "2025-09-27T18:11:00Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Do you really think that he will be released from prison during the Trump administration? > > I anticipate a life sentence with the possibility of parole in perhaps 20-25 years. Or perhaps no possibility of parole. I anticipate Trump and his cult followers will not be satisfied with anything less than Robinson dying in a hail of bullets. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1822 "2025-09-27T19:24:20Z")
Plus there’s the extra tariffs to consider now… ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1823 "2025-09-27T21:35:16Z")
Of course, but you can’t slap a big tariff on something that isn’t there. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1824 "2025-09-28T00:39:56Z")
If this LDS view of redemption was really the driving force behind Utah’s sentencing, they wouldn’t have the death penalty. The MAGAs want blood. The only thing that might prevent them from getting it is if Erika Kirk’s (performative?) forgiveness extends to making a clear plea for him to be to be spared rather than just far enough to mouth the words “I forgive you” as she watches him put to death. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1825 "2025-09-28T01:28:09Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > If this LDS view of redemption was really the driving force behind Utah’s sentencing, they wouldn’t have the death penalty. The MAGAs want blood. This is a real headscratcher to me. Why do you believe the LDS view of redemption should preclude capital punishment? Utah’s origins, and in particular its government’s relationship to the Mormon church, are well known. It is perhaps as close as you are going to get in the US to an actual theocracy—and that’s saying quite a lot. And yet, Utah has had capital punishment since before it was a state. I daresay that the idea of blood atonement might just have made it into state law before the Mormon church purported to reject any such doctrine as part of its revisionist/sane-washing phase. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1826 "2025-09-28T01:55:59Z")
@Crane [seemed to be arguing](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1804) that the LDS attitude towards redemption would mean that Robinson would probably get out in 18 months. I was arguing against that, with a view more in line with yours. I probably should have put scare quotes around “LDS view of redemption”. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1827 "2025-09-28T02:56:21Z")
The religious right - regardless of the religion in question - puts their own desires and prejudices _first,_ and ignores or rationalizes away any violations of their supposed religious principles. Fundamentally it doesn’t matter what the official theology of the LDS _says;_ LDS Trumpers will just indulge their bloodlust and handwave away any aspects of their religion that says that’s a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1828 "2025-09-28T06:19:20Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > @Crane [seemed to be arguing](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1804) that the LDS attitude towards redemption would mean that Robinson would probably get out in 18 months. I was arguing against that, with a view more in line with yours. I probably should have put scare quotes around “LDS view of redemption”. Ah, I see. Personally, I thought **Crane** ’s suggestion was too ridiculous to take seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1829 "2025-09-28T06:33:41Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Of course, but you can’t slap a big tariff on something that isn’t there. If he could, that Fat Orange Bastard would slap a tariff on Democracy. Oh, wait… ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1830 "2025-09-28T09:26:41Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > I agree that he was supremely dangerous, and I’m glad that you included the caveat after “punditry.” Too much of the news coverage is taking at face value the whitewashing from right-wing spin doctors, including Kirk’s own Turning Point organization, describing him as a political commentator or observer or free speech advocate or otherwise providing wildly misleading labels as to the scope of his activities. He was not a pundit. He was a Christofascist radical activist, period. > > Edit to add: I meant to expand on “supremely dangerous” but forgot. The key point there is that Kirk was only 31, quite young by political standards, and had already accumulated a meaningful following. As I mentioned above, if he hadn’t been killed, he had another forty or fifty fucking years of destructive potential ahead of him. Everyone understood this very simple point that someone who is violently eliminated for speech will not be able to make that speech into the future and this is an effective way to score a political victory. You do not need to keep repeating it over and over like some big revelation. You like to believe in your head you are this smooth political operator. Turns out you are just very very stupid and your mental model of the world only has two buckets, evil and non-evil and people in the evil bucket deserve to be destroyed for speaking out. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1831 "2025-09-28T12:05:02Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Just saw an interesting take on this online. Somebody posted “I don’t support what happened to Charlie Kirk. But Charlie Kirk supported what happened to Charlie Kirk.” The height of libtard hypocrisy. Be too cowardly to state a position because it is repulsive but state it anyway by falsely ascribing it to your murdered opponent. Very interesting indeed. I think I will do a collage of all of these now. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1832 "2025-09-28T12:29:13Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > LDS Trumpers will just indulge their bloodlust and handwave away any aspects of their religion that says that’s a bad thing. I have faith in LDS folks to put LDS first and Trump far down the list. Kathy Nester will provide a strong defense. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1833 "2025-09-28T13:12:28Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > The height of libtard hypocrisy. Be too cowardly to state a position because it is repulsive but state it anyway by falsely ascribing it to your murdered opponent. Very interesting indeed. I think I will do a collage of all of these now. Nonsense. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of political violence in this country is carried out be right wingers. Kirk was part of what fed that violence. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1834 "2025-09-28T13:17:18Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Of course, but you can’t slap a big tariff on something that isn’t there. There’s at least one unpopulated island that shows this assertion is incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1835 "2025-09-28T13:58:45Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Nonsense. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of political violence in this country is carried out be right wingers. Kirk was part of what fed that violence. Yes, nonsense from Pedro Picapiedra. The Antidefamation League explains about the bad things Turning Point was/is doing. You bet Charlie spoke pretty about declaring those things as being fake or “nice in context”. [https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa](https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa) > Key Points > > Turning Point USA TPUSA is a right-wing student organization. > > Founded in 2012 by Charlie Kirk, TPUSA has raised millions from conservative donors and has played a significant role in GOP politics and elections. > > Since the group’s founding, Kirk has moved further to the right and has promoted numerous conspiracy theories about election fraud and Covid-19 and has demonized the transgender community. > > Kirk also promotes Christian nationalism: the idea that Christians should dominate the government and other areas of life in the US. > > TPUSA continues to attract racists to the group. Numerous TPUSA representatives have made bigoted remarks about minority groups and the LGBTQ+ community. > > White nationalists have attended TPUSA events, even though the group says it rejects white supremacist ideology. > > Kirk has created a vast platform for extremists and far-right conspiracy theorists, who speak and attend his annual AmericaFirst and other events sponsored by TPUSA. > Kirk has created several interconnected groups to further his right-wing agenda. In June 2022, TPUSA [launched Turning Point Academy](https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-launches-turning-point-academy-combat-woke-curriculum-1714091), in collaboration with the Dream City Christian School, also based in Phoenix. Turning Point Academy is a subdivision of TPUSA that “is dedicated to RECLAIMING the education of our children, REVIVING virtuous education focused on truth, goodness, and beauty, and RESTORING God as the foundation of education [sic].” According to the [TPUSA website](https://www.tpusa.com/academy), Turning Point Academy is not one school but “an educational movement” that wants to advance “all types of faith-based conservative-values education,” seed Christian, conservative schools around the country; train teachers and administrators and provide resources and curriculum to support this goal. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1836 "2025-09-28T15:10:37Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Nonsense. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of political violence in this country is carried out be right wingers. Kirk was part of what fed that violence. Before we continue I feel I should warn you that there are people here who think it is dangerous to talk to me because I’m subversive and that listening to my evil rhetoric could poison your mind. I’m a big fan of disclaimers. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1837 "2025-09-28T15:21:20Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Before we continue I feel I should warn you that there are people here who think it is dangerous to talk to me because I’m subversive and that listening to my evil rhetoric could poison your mind. I’m a big fan of disclaimers. Nice fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1838 "2025-09-28T16:28:32Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > I have faith in LDS folks to put LDS first and Trump far down the list. And I expect their faith will lead to them putting Trump first, and their religion last. Because indulging in your own fantasies and bigotry is the point of faith, and Trump is the living incarnation of government-by-faith. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1839 "2025-09-28T17:10:51Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Yes, nonsense from Pedro Picapiedra. The Antidefamation League explains about the bad things Turning Point was/is doing. You bet Charlie spoke pretty about declaring those things as being fake or “nice in context”. Oh I’m not making sense? Where is the part in your link that shows that “Charlie Kirk supported what happened to Charlie Kirk” exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1840 "2025-09-28T17:15:48Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Where is the part in your link that shows that “Charlie Kirk supported what happened to Charlie Kirk” exactly? _I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational._ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=91) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=93)