# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 93
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1841 "2025-09-28T17:16:39Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Oh I’m not making sense? Where is the part in your link that shows that “Charlie Kirk supported what happened to Charlie Kirk” exactly? I did not said that you numnuts, but @Procrustus and others did. As you show here, reading comprehension (or just plain reading, as you did not check the cite I made about how extreme Charlie and his ilk were/are) is not your strength, no wonder you fall for Wolves in Sheep’s clothing that demand to turn schools into extreme right anti-science, Christian nationalist outfits. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1842 "2025-09-28T17:27:51Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And I expect their faith will lead to them putting Trump first The LDS community is much better integrated than that. Trump has not demonstrated wisdom. I do not see the community backing Trump over an LDS youth. That is why I expect leniency in sentencing. Of course Utah is no longer all LDS. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1843 "2025-09-28T17:39:26Z")
I think you’re mistaking the relevant identities here. That “LDS youth” is not going to be perceived as such, but rather as “that murderer.” Both identities are accurate, but the former raises questions about LDS identity that the community would rather not face, while the latter allows them to ignore that he was one of their own and pursue a swift and bloody vengeance… I mean, a dispassionate justice. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1844 "2025-09-28T17:52:40Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > That “LDS youth” is not going to be perceived as such That depends on things we cannot see. LDS is not considered ‘Christian’ by other Protestant sects. So MAGA wants the votes but LDS is out if MAGA ever gets into power. The LDS youth is a person of value who must be dealt with by the community not by outsiders. I believe this will be accomplished quietly and effectively and entirely outside of Trump, MAGA and especially Kash Patel. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1845 "2025-09-28T18:19:45Z")
Again, I agree with your facts but not your interpretation. Because LDS perceive themselves as Christian, they tend to minimise the degree to which MAGA Protestants see them as Other. They perceive themselves as central and unproblematic, and will want reminders of their vulnerability swept aside as neatly as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1846 "2025-09-28T18:28:02Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > Again, I agree with your facts but not your interpretation. Fortunately we have the opportunity to watch as it unfolds. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1847 "2025-09-28T18:39:35Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > _I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational._ “Gun rights advocate is in favor gun murder”. Har har. Bye. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1848 "2025-09-28T18:44:41Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > The LDS community is much better integrated than that. Trump has not demonstrated wisdom. I do not see the community backing Trump over an LDS youth _(shrugs)_ Utah voted for Trump; and people who voted for Trump are lacking in wisdom, ethics, and concern for their fellow human beings. I expect that they’ll cheerfully sacrifice a “youth” to satisfy their God-King Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1849 "2025-09-28T19:09:49Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Nice fantasy. It’s not, it’s exactly right, it’s the same language used to justify attacking Charlie Kirk and transparent from the desperate unsuccessful attempts here to cancel me. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1850 "2025-09-28T19:09:54Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > “Gun rights advocate is in favor gun murder”. Har har. > > Bye. It is just as funny as: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Gm2x6CVIXiE/maxresdefault.jpg "some of you may die") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm2x6CVIXiE&t=0) … Nope, it is really bad. Saying that it is worth it or unfortunate, is being as appalling as Lord Farquaad. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1851 "2025-09-28T19:12:41Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > It’s not, it’s exactly right, it’s the same language used to justify attacking Charlie Kirk and transparent from the desperate unsuccessful attempts here to cancel me. It is still a fantasy coming from you. What is real, is that you are propping up guys that demand to turn schools into extreme right, anti-science, Christian nationalist outfits. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1852 "2025-09-28T22:44:34Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Before we continue I feel I should warn you that there are people here who think it is dangerous to talk to me because I’m subversive and that listening to my evil rhetoric could poison your mind. I’m a big fan of disclaimers. Yes, you’re a legend in your own mind. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1853 "2025-09-29T01:26:59Z")
Pretty sure THIS was what you meant to say Pedro, assuming The Truth was of interest. > Before we continue I feel I should warn you that most people here and in the world at large think it is a waste of time and brain cells to talk to me because I’m a dipshit. Listening to my dimwitted racist rhetoric will prove I’m a huge bore. I’m a big fan of exhibiting my stupidity in public. Happy to fix that for you! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1854 "2025-09-29T08:27:43Z")
[Kirk:Republicans::Muhammed:Muslims.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/tpusa-leader-calls-unc-professor-000641239.html) > [@](#): > > Turning Point USA spokesperson Andrew Kolvet on Saturday called for the firing of a University of [North Carolina](https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/us-regions/southeast/north-carolina) at Chapel Hill professor, who allegedly belongs to a radical gun group linked to multiple violent Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) attacks. > > Dwayne Dixon, an Asian and Middle Eastern Studies professor at the school’s [Chapel Hill](https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/campus-controversy) campus, is allegedly a member of Redneck Revolt’s Silver Valley chapter — an offshoot of the John Brown Gun Club, which was tied to at least two violent attacks at ICE facilities in Washington and Texas, [Fox News Digital previously reported.](https://www.foxnews.com/us/professor-elite-college-belongs-offshoot-leftist-gun-club-celebrating-violence-georgetown-group) > > Kolvet’s demand, which he posted to X, came after John Brown Gun Club recruitment flyers were seen on Georgetown University’s campus Wednesday and Thursday with the writing, “Hey fascist! Catch this!” an apparent nod to writing that was written on bullet casings linked to Turning Point USA founder [Charlie Kirk](https://www.foxnews.com/category/media/charlie-kirk)’s Sept. 10 assassination. > > “I posted this flyer our team spotted at Georgetown, and now we find out professors at “elite” schools are members of this group and its offshoots,” Kolvet wrote in the post. “This professor must be immediately fired and the group/network investigated.” ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1855 "2025-09-29T12:19:38Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > I think it’s really interesting that, when confronted with evidence of a really problematic statement, the response is not to change one’s mind based on the evidence, but to re-classify that evidence as a “joke” and dismiss it. > > A “joke” which is: > > - not funny > - uses Biblical wording > - is, indeed, seriously advocated in some of the US religious community > > Ockham’s razor again—it’s an uphill argument to see “submit to your husband” as a joke. > > It’s fascinating the lengths people will go to in order to avoid challenging their pre-existing beliefs. Also scary. I want to finish up on this because I didn’t get the chance. Let me know if this sounds like a guy who is talking seriously. This is the opening for the segment: > [@](#): > > This is monumental breaking news, this is bigger than ending the Russian-Ukrainian war, this is bigger than the Trump election, this is bigger than Butler Pensylvania, I mean this is seismic earth shattering stuff. You will remember where you were. This is bigger than WW2, honestly, this is bigger than storming the beach, Iwo-Jima, D-day, you will remember where you were seating, you will remember what you were drinking, and feeling, honestly it might be bigger than the founding of America. […] this is a moment that will live out in infamy, Taylor Swift is now engaged to Travis Kelce. I’m not denying any reality, I just disagree with you or have different experiences. I’m not even saying it is impossible that Charlie Kirk meant the words “Submit to your husband” seriously in a humorous sketch. If true it just means he has traditional views of marriage and uses shitty biblical language to talk about it. I already knew he was an evangelical that likes to quote scripture. Big whoop. There is more than I agree with him than disagree on this. Women can do whatever they want (duh) but if they want to be wives and mothers, that is a beautiful thing. Wokeism is supremely unattractive too. If I said “submit to your husband” to my wife she would laugh or ask me if I’m having a stroke. I never heard anyone else talk like this seriously either, other than some fundamentalist religious communities in the US, but I’ll admit my circle of friends aren’t evangelical and I just tune out that bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1856 "2025-09-29T12:55:22Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Pretty sure THIS was what you meant to say Pedro, assuming The Truth was of interest. Not a fan I presume. I do not capitalize random words and please do not insinuate otherwise. That is also a lesser well known symptom of liberal brain rot (bolding mine): > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Is anyone either dumb enough to think this was an actual tribute to Kirk and not a brazen Republican rally, or **Evil enough** to think we are so stupid as to believe that this was an actual tribute to Kirk and not a brazen Republican rally? ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1857 "2025-09-29T13:01:42Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > not even saying it is impossible that Charlie Kirk meant the words “Submit to your husband” seriously in a humorous sketch. Did Mr. Kirk have a sense of humour at at all? Even a malicious vindictive one? ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1858 "2025-09-29T13:25:16Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > Did Mr. Kirk have a sense of humour at at all? Even a malicious vindictive one? Yes he did, Mr. “I bid you adieu”. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1859 "2025-09-29T13:37:18Z")
Stephen King already apologized for taking the “stoning gays” quote out of context, I’ll accept his apology in your name, anything else you guys need explained? Sorry to be so insistent but it seems kind of important. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1860 "2025-09-29T13:40:55Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Yes, you’re a legend in your own mind. Kind of a stretch given the company I keep here but let’s not quibble on details. Anyway today I saw this really interesting take online: “People who react like this to the Charlie Kirk assassination are just miserable in their lives and deserve some compassion.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=92) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=94)