# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 94
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1861 "2025-09-29T14:12:54Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > … Nope, it is really bad. Saying that it is worth it or unfortunate, is being as appalling as Lord Farquaad. So dumb. The man literally died. If anything it is the opposite of Farquaad. You should feel embarrassed right now. Not that this disingenuous bullshit about gun rights or the disgusting rhetoric that he had it coming for speaking words and promoting dialog has any relevance, but I suspect you all knew that already. Because it is the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1862 "2025-09-29T14:13:01Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Anyway today I saw this really interesting take online: “People who react like this to the Charlie Kirk assassination are just miserable in their lives and deserve some compassion.” React like what? Pointing out that Charlie Kirk was a bad person who supported bad cause, including political violence, when he was alive? And that his history shouldn’t be erased just because he’s dead? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1863 "2025-09-29T14:20:24Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > There is more than I agree with him than disagree on this. Women can do whatever they want (duh) but if they want to be wives and mothers, that is a beautiful thing. Wokeism is supremely unattractive too. When the “Woke” dog whistle comes out, it is in reality coming from many bigoted influencers that do not like to see women, gays, trans, and/or other races in “their” movies, jobs, government, schools, etc. So there is a lot of bigotry added to the maneuver to turn a good progressive word like “Woke” into a slur. The reason the right does it is to quiet down any opposition from progressives, to keep any policy that the right wing likes in place. With the “woke” word there is no need for the misguided guy using it as a slur to be a racist, not all the ones trying to control the narrative are racist even. And yet, they end up defending the ones that would love to keep racist policies in place. In reality, [that imposed change of the original meaning of words and phrases from minority communities](https://wdet.org/2021/10/27/how-the-word-woke-was-co-opted-and-weaponized/) is done in a now wimpy attempt to hide the hate and contempt they have for women, minorities or progress. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1864 "2025-09-29T14:28:29Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > So dumb. The man literally died. If anything it is the opposite of Farquaad. You should feel embarrassed right now. What an ignorant cad, Lord Farquaad also died. Charlie Kirk’s “dialog” was the equivalent of “there is nothing we can do, so shut up” So you are the one that should stop lying and support gun control. > **[Charlie Kirk Was Murdered. Gun Safety Laws Can Prevent Further Violence.](https://giffords.org/analysis/charlie-kirk-was-murdered-gun-safety-laws-can-prevent-further-violence/)** > > Armed political violence is a growing threat in the United States—both to the people who live here and to democracy itself. > **Political violence is fueled by gun industry** and the extremists it emboldens, who **exploit weak gun laws** to turn **intimidation** into a political **weapon**. > Our leader, former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, published an op-ed in _TIME_ yesterday, titled “[I Mourn for Charlie Kirk’s Family.](https://time.com/7316434/gabby-giffords-mourn-charlie-kirk-family/)” about Charlie Kirk’s assassination, political violence, and the gun law loopholes that fuel this violence. Here’s an excerpt: > > _I mourn for Charlie Kirk’s family._ > > _I didn’t agree with almost anything he said, but he had a right to speak. Just as he had a right to go on a work trip and return safely to his wife and two young children at home in the state we share, Arizona._ > > _Just as Melissa Hortman, the former Speaker of the Minnesota State Legislature, deserved to be safe at home with her husband and her dog. Instead they were all three shot dead together one night in June._ > > _Just as President Donald Trump had the right to campaign without fear of being assassinated, as two different people tried to do last summer._ > > _[…]_ > > _What we share, and what puts all of us in danger—from elected leaders to little children, like those shot while praying in church in Minnesota a few weeks ago—is the overwhelming prevalence of guns in this country and the loopholes that make it appallingly easy for dangerous people to access them._ > > > > _In America, we now have_ [_more guns than people_](https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/26/world/us-gun-culture-world-comparison-intl-cmd/index.html)_. Many states take sensible steps—background checks, extreme risk protection orders, and safe storage laws—all policies that help_ [_reduce gun crime and gun deaths_](https://time.com/6191609/6-ways-to-reduce-gun-violence/)_. Other states—like Utah, which year after year receives a F grade in the annual_ [_Gun Law Scorecard_](https://giffords.org/lawcenter/resources/scorecard/) _released by my organization, GIFFORDS—do far too little to save lives. Utah has_ [_expanded_](https://www.ksl.com/article/51244957/utah-house-passes-bill-allowing-18-year-olds-to-openly-carry-loaded-firearms) _gun access in recent years, and gun deaths have increased along with that, soaring by 45% from 2014 to 2023, according to the_ [_CDC_](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/state-stats/deaths/firearms.html)_._ ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1865 "2025-09-29T15:17:43Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > React like what? Pointing out that Charlie Kirk was a bad person who supported bad cause, including political violence, when he was alive? And that his history shouldn’t be erased just because he’s dead? No one has shown any shred of evidence that he supported political violence. With all the vile lies being told, it is laughable to think such evidence would not have surfaced by now. I don’t know how you reacted but your little dictum is distasteful in the extreme, not to mention trying to be clever and falling flat. One could even look at it as part of a rhetorical chess game for simpletons. I don’t expect much, certainly not that you eulogize him or erase anything, just circumspect respect for the family, some measure of humanity and compassion for the innocent murder victim, and affirmation of principles of free speech and rejection of political violence. Agreed? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1866 "2025-09-29T15:32:49Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Anyway today I saw this really interesting take online: “People who react like this to the Charlie Kirk assassination are just miserable in their lives and deserve some compassion.” As wise, true, compelling, and organic as making the exact same statement about those who were vulnerable to his brand of demagoguery. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1867 "2025-09-29T15:44:59Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > No one has shown any shred of evidence that he supported political violence. With all the vile lies being told, it is laughable to think such evidence would not have surfaced by now. The evidence is clear, you are dumb enough to think that a straw man is a great argument. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1868 "2025-09-29T15:55:13Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > As wise, true, compelling, and organic as making the exact same statement about those who were vulnerable to his brand of demagoguery. Fair enough. Just something I read online that resonated with me and seemed apropos. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1869 "2025-09-29T15:57:42Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > When the “Woke” dog whistle comes out, it is in reality coming from many bigoted influencers that do not like to see women, gays, trans, and/or other races in “their” movies, jobs, government, schools, etc. Save it for the classroom. I will continue to use it as a very apt descriptor of a certain brand of leftist ideology. Also do not try to tell me what to find attractive. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1870 "2025-09-29T16:00:54Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Save it for the classroom. I will continue to use it as a very apt descriptor of a certain brand of leftist ideology. Also do not try to tell me what to find attractive. No problem, you bigot. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1871 "2025-09-29T16:13:44Z")
So, if we can move away from the Sisyphean argument about Kirk’s quotes and whether they are racist, I have something that I’m not sure what it means, but it is making the rounds out there. In the video below, Kirk seems to be claiming that Netanyahu somehow enabled October 7 to seize power in light of the growing protests against him in the summer before the attack. The claim is further made that “they don’t want you to see this video” and of course some are claiming this video is why the Mossad had him killed. The claim is also that this video keeps getting taken down, but then, here it is, still on Youtube, so… I’m not a CT guy, so no I don’t believe any of that, but I do find the seam created by Israel within the far right interesting. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/3wUq3t9f6ug/hqdefault.jpg "CHARLIE KIRK VIDEO THAT KEEPS GETTING REMOVED OFF OF SEVERAL PLATFORMS ") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wUq3t9f6ug) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1872 "2025-09-29T16:36:20Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > So, if we can move away from the Sisyphean argument about Kirk’s quotes and whether they are racist, It is not so hard, by using “woke” as a slur Charlie Kirk showed that he was, besides his disdain of any minority pilots or in other positions of power. As for the video, there was IMHO no need to reach for the conspiracy that Netanyahu enabled the October 7 attack, Like the Reichstag fire or 9/11, they were incidents that emboldened the autocrats to gain more power. Trump then, as the ultimate opportunistic cad, is using the murder of Charlie Kirk to gain more uncontested power. (it does not mater to him the intentions of the killer, they already pointed the finger). What the efforts to white wash Kirk (and Trump too, really) are doing, is to ignore how violence against others can be disguised as “pretty talk” > **[How the Right is Abusing Charlie Kirk & Trump Dismisses Domestic Violence...](https://kareem.substack.com/p/how-the-right-is-abusing-charlie)** > > September 16, 2025 > I’ve been thinking a lot about parents who refuse to immunize their children because of their ignorance of the science of vaccines. They may otherwise be loving parents, but their willingness to embrace their own ignorance rather than find out the truth isn’t love. It’s laziness. It’s neglect. Parents of daughters, who support a president accused by at least 28 women of sexual misconduct and who a judge said was a rapist (“[Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/)”), are sending a message to their daughters that you support rapists and a message to their sons that rape is okay. To not understand that is not good parenting, no matter how many books you read to them or how often you took them to Disneyland. [https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5512827-ocasio-cortez-charlie-kirk-abuse-of-power/](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5512827-ocasio-cortez-charlie-kirk-abuse-of-power/) > Ocasio-Cortez said on the House floor that [Kirk’s assassination](https://thehill.com/homenews/5501517-charlie-kirk-trump-white-house/) was a “horrific and vile attack” and said condemning the “depravity” of his “brutal” [killing in Utah](https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5498450-manhunt-college-shooter-charlie-kirk/) last Wednesday is a “straightforward matter, one that is especially important to help stabilize an increasingly unsafe and volatile political environment where everyday people feel more at risk.” > > “We can deeply disagree and come together as a country to denounce the horror of this killing, and it is not a license for the abuse of power and whitewashing of American history,” the progressive Democrat said. “Today’s resolution only underscores the majority’s recklessness by choosing to author this condemnation and honoring on a purely partisan basis, instead of uniting Congress in this tragedy with one of the many bipartisan options to condemn political violence and Kirk’s murder, as we did with the late Melissa Hortman.” > > Ocasio-Cortez’s remarks came two days [after ABC pulled](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5511416-kimmel-abc-suspension-political/) late-night comedian [Jimmy Kimmel](https://thehill.com/people/jimmy-kimmel/)off the air Wednesday indefinitely following his comments about the response to Kirk’s assassination. > > Nexstar Media Group, which owns The Hill, and Sinclair said their local affiliate stations would stop airing the late-night show [over Kimmel’s comments](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5506688-trump-administration-charlie-kirk/). > > The decision by [ABC was welcomed](https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5509204-trump-celebrates-kimmel-suspension/) by [President Trump](https://thehill.com/people/donald-trump/)and other administration officials, but it was slammed by Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1873 "2025-09-29T17:39:05Z")
Charlie Kirk preached denial of liberty to American citizens to pursue their chosen lifestyles. His fatal error was his extreme lack of empathy. There are serious citizens who’s dedication to their lifestyle is as great as his determination to deny them their Constitutional right to be free in their persons. Especially since they were fighting for their lives against Charlie who was simply soliciting money. That does not excuse Tyler Robinson breaking the law. But it explains why he should be judged as a freedom fighter rather than a terrorist. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1874 "2025-09-29T17:43:34Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > No problem, you bigot. Great, finally some common ground, random person trying to impress me with some sort of woke voodoo incantation. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1875 "2025-09-29T17:50:07Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Great, finally some common ground, random person trying to impress me with some sort of woke voodoo incantation. No problem, I’m being polite. 🙂 BTW, the issue of being a “random person” is why one uses cites, it is a good way to see who has support for what they say. As noted, you have nothing, so it is not only me who is less impressed by your willful ignorance. In any case, I gave you a chance and with quotes to see how the right changed the meaning of woke to do and say bigoted things in the open, it is not my problem if you are now choosing to ignore the history of the term and how bigots do use it. [https://www.npr.org/2023/07/21/1189016049/woke-desantis-trump-black-culture](https://www.npr.org/2023/07/21/1189016049/woke-desantis-trump-black-culture) > “People who are interested in keeping the hierarchy and the social inequality the way that it is and not trying to level the playing field or not trying to have social inequality, one way you can do that is through controlling language, through controlling how people think about ideas,” Richardson said. “And it’s actually stripping — it’s trying to strip Black people out of their history, out of our lived experience, our identity.” > > She also sees dangers in how Republicans are using the phrase, warning that it could lead to violence, like recent cases in which Black people have been shot knocking on a door, for example. > > “It promotes anti-Blackness,” Richardson argued. “It promotes stratification. It promotes fear. And that’s very dangerous.” > > Conservatives don’t see it that way — and show no signs of curtailing its use on the campaign trail. Badu was asked about Republicans using the phrase and in particular DeSantis’ quote that “Florida is where woke goes to die.” > > “I think they mean Black,” she said on [MSNBC](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YDKqKfXLxg) earlier this year. “Yeah. It’s another way to say ‘thug’ or something like that. It is what it is. It doesn’t belong to us anymore, and once something goes out into the world, it takes on a life of its own.” ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1876 "2025-09-29T17:51:46Z")
I believe in reciprocity. And so as far as I’m concerned the fact that he was far right means that he doesn’t deserve sympathy _of any kind for any reason._ I don’t care that he was assassinated; but I wouldn’t care if he died of cancer either. Or spontaneously caught on fire. He deserves as much sympathy as he gave other people: zero. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1877 "2025-09-29T18:09:10Z")
Yes, his death was unfortunate, but if it means we have a second amendment well, omelets. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1878 "2025-09-29T18:28:41Z")
This is not the way to improve the world. You should care that he was assassinated, if only selfishly, because assassination of public figures is not a great direction for the country to go. We’ve had several politically motivated murders this past 12 months: Kirk, Melissa Hortman, and if you want to count the Healthcare CEO as political. Two or three is not a ton, but I can’t recall another year with so many in my lifetime. I also think he deserves some sympathy as a human being. There are plenty of people out there making (in my opinion) terrible life choices and making the world worse. I’m often happy that they’re gone, but at the same time it’s worth acknowledging the lost potential, and that his death is a hole in the life of those who loved him, even if they are also terrible people. Otherwise, you’re kind of glorying in their suffering, which is not a good look. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1879 "2025-09-29T18:30:00Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > BTW, the issue of being a “random person” is why one uses cites, it is a good way to see who has support for what they say. As noted, you have nothing, so it is not only me who is less impressed by your willful ignorance. > > In any case, I gave you a chance and with quotes to see how the right changed the meaning of woke to do and say bigoted things in the open, it is not my problem if you are now choosing to ignore the history of the term and how bigots do use it. I see your cites. Nobody who isn’t a die-hard believer is buying this crap anymore. You overplayed your hand, like a child in a candy factory. It was an inevitability. I’ll be delighted if the woke left continues to try to bank on these idiotic mindfucks to convince people instead of trying to fix real issues and build a country. But this isn’t what this thread is about. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1880 "2025-09-29T18:55:21Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > I see your cites. Nobody who isn’t a die-hard believer is buying this crap anymore. You overplayed your hand, like a child in a candy factory. It was an inevitability. I’ll be delighted if the woke left continues to try to bank on these idiotic mindfucks to convince people instead of trying to fix real issues and build a country. But this isn’t what this thread is about. Yeah, issues like racism, harassment of women, destruction of the environment, loose gun laws, government workers fired because Elon or Trump wanted to for idiotic reasons are crap \*\*. Yep, we get it loud and clear from bigots and idiōtēs like you. It does not make it right that you think that **nobody** is buying that “crap”, because you are wrong. > **[Trump Administration Civil and Human Rights Rollbacks](https://civilrights.org/trump-rollbacks/#)** > > Documenting the Trump administration’s across-the-board assault on civil and human rights. > **[How Americans Perceive Treatment of Racial, Ethnic Groups](https://news.gallup.com/poll/693641/americans-perceive-treatment-racial-ethnic-groups.aspx)** > > Less than half of Americans are satisfied with the way immigrants and Black, Hispanic, Jewish and Arab people are treated in the U.S. Finally, no, you likely don’t check my cites because your words show how inept you are at dealing with them. . . \*\* BTW, Charlie Kirk supported the asinine moves to harass and dismiss federal workers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=93) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=95)