# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 95
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1881 "2025-09-29T20:00:10Z")
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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1882 "2025-09-29T20:28:40Z")
I answered that one of his bullshit not going unanswered, but I would had answered that “Sincerely, I also want to learn the whole context of Charlie and Turning point”. I was already aware about how appalling Charlie was about racial issues, climate change and evolution. Going to deep dives about what he really, really said in context, just made him worse than what I expected. That bit about the mass firing of federal workers, when Charlie supported the asinine efforts of Elon Musk and Trump to dismantle government offices and education, was something I was not aware of, but it came when the bigots and idiōtēs demanded that one should take a look about how “polite” Charlie was… Well, I would say to them, thank you very much! And [please proceed Governor](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/11/30/1165769/-My-favorite-moment-of-2012-Please-proceed-governor) Picapiedra. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1883 "2025-09-29T20:39:45Z")
I have wanted to reply several times, but refrained, knowing it would not lead to a productive discussion. I have the same problem in a lot of places: I want to understand the conservative position, but the people who espouse it seem to be utterly incapable of explaining themselves without resorting to fallacies, platitudes, and name-calling. I can’t have a serious conversation with someone who can’t refrain from using “libtard.” Kirk himself seems to have been a master of disingenuous debate, “winning” conversation after conversation by being able to argue quickly, if superficially. I just fear the nation’s critical thinking skills are so poor that they don’t understand why “winning” this sort of argument doesn’t mean you’re correct. People seem so easily swayed by videos; I wonder if they can even read arguments written out in paragraph form? They probably haven’t had to do it since high school. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1884 "2025-09-29T20:42:25Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Finally, no, you likely don’t check my cites because your words show how inept you are at dealing with them. It’s not really a cite worth anything and anyone can see this. I should pay attention to this Elaine Richardson person on how “woke” is allowed to be used and how it means “thug” when I say it why exactly? > [@](#): > > She also sees dangers in how Republicans are using the phrase, warning that it could lead to violence, like recent cases in which Black people have been shot knocking on a door, for example. I can’t handle your cites because I’m too busy laughing. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1885 "2025-09-29T20:47:40Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > I have the same problem in a lot of places: I want to understand the conservative position, but the people who espouse it seem to be utterly incapable of explaining themselves without resorting to fallacies, platitudes, and name-calling. I can’t have a serious conversation with someone who can’t refrain from using “libtard.” I already answered this. It is not conducive to a serious conversation, just like it isn’t when the insults are directed at me. I do not recall being impolite to you specifically. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1886 "2025-09-29T21:10:58Z")
The world being improved in my lifetime (and probably ever) is off the table, in no small part thanks to people like Kirk who are devoted to making it worse. And merely being a human being doesn’t mean somebody deserves sympathy; we don’t live in a fantasy world, all the great monsters of history _were_ human. And his “lost potential” was entirely a potential for doing yet more harm to the world. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1887 "2025-09-29T21:42:54Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > Great, finally some common ground, random person trying to impress me with some sort of woke voodoo incantation. It would have been much more impressive if you had worked in “DEI” somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1888 "2025-09-29T21:57:23Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > I can’t handle your cites because I’m too busy laughing. Wow, I was wondering how more idiōtēs you would get. Of course the right would be proud of willfully ignoring that the Democrats and the left had a point about [stochastic terrorism](https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RRA3200/RRA3232-1/RAND_RRA3232-1.summary-English.pdf). Of course, the dumb part is that laughing about it also dismisses the talking point about using Kirk to justify the clampdown of dissent against Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1889 "2025-09-29T22:16:42Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Have you put Pedro on your ignore list? At the time I am writing this it appears 89% of the people voting have Pedro on ignore. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1890 "2025-09-29T23:08:21Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > No one has shown any shred of evidence that he supported political violence. That’s because no one has said that Kirk did. But thanks for strawmanning a position you’d rather not debate. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2025, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1891 "2025-09-29T23:28:44Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > At the time I am writing this it appears 89% of the people voting have Pedro on ignore. He’s the very first person I’ve put on ignore since the switch to Discourse. It seems to be an easier process than what I remember of the old system. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2025, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1892 "2025-09-30T00:41:07Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > He’s the very first person I’ve put on ignore since the switch to Discourse. It seems to be an easier process than what I remember of the old system. I had the opposite problem, it took me some time to figure out where the ignore command was and how to use it. But yeah; they are the first person I’ve put on ignore since the changeover. It’s a function I’ve only used very rarely both here and on other forums. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2025, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1893 "2025-09-30T01:25:38Z")
I liked the “ignore forever” feature. First time I’ve used it! ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2025, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1894 "2025-09-30T02:22:13Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > I want to understand the conservative position, but the people who espouse it seem to be utterly incapable of explaining themselves without resorting to fallacies, platitudes, and name-calling. But post-Trump fallacies, platitudes, and name-calling is the conservative position. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2025, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1895 "2025-09-30T05:11:38Z")
To say nothing of living in an alternate reality. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2025, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1896 "2025-09-30T05:54:15Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > But post-Trump fallacies, platitudes, and name-calling is the conservative position. Yeah. And conservatism was pretty awful before Trump as well, despite all the years of people insisting that there _must_ be some reasonable, moral justification for whatever bigoted crusade they were on at the time. But in real life, the reason conservatives support awful things and elect awful leaders is that they _are_ awful people with awful intentions. Not misunderstood innocents or well-meaning-but-mistaken people who would change their ways if their victims just sucked up hard enough to them. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2025, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1897 "2025-09-30T08:01:03Z")
Liberal tears are like manna from heaven. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2025, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1898 "2025-09-30T08:04:48Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > That’s because no one has said that Kirk did. > But thanks for strawmanning a position you’d rather not debate. Huh? What’s this then (bolding mine)? > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > React like what? Pointing out that Charlie Kirk was a bad person who supported bad cause, **including political violence** , when he was alive? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2025, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1899 "2025-09-30T08:08:51Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > > > That’s because no one has said that Kirk did. > > But thanks for strawmanning a position you’d rather not debate. > > Huh? What’s this then (bolding mine)? > > > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > > React like what? Pointing out that Charlie Kirk was a bad person who supported bad cause, **including political violence** , when he was alive? Cool, now you can engage with Little\_Nemo and request a cite instead of posting more troll shit like this! > [@Pedro](#): > > Liberal tears are like manna from heaven. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2025, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1900 "2025-09-30T08:41:13Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Cool, now you can engage with Little\_Nemo and request a cite instead of posting more troll shit like this! Haha look at Mr. Model Poster Holding His Nose over here. Glad you learned something too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=94) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=96)