# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 10, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916 "2025-09-10T19:04:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 98
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1941 "2025-10-03T04:59:15Z")
[Kirk’s doppelgänger is a fraudster.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/maga-charlie-kirk-caught-asking-232808472.html) > [@](#): > > A teen MAGA speaker dubbed the “new Charlie Kirk” has been caught in a sting asking for thousands to speak to students. > > Brilyn Hollyhand, 19, has presented himself as an heir to the murdered Turning Point USA founder, barnstorming colleges to speak to conservative students on a tour which began on a private jet. > > But [the Daily Mail](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15146011/Charlie-Kirk-Brilyn-Hollyhand-turning-point.html) on Thursday caught his agent asking for thousands of dollars plus expenses to speak at a fake college event. > > The outlet posed as a college student trying to book Hollyhand and emailed Premiere Speakers Bureau, which connects speakers and organizations. > > A representative for the agency wrote back, “Brilyn’s fee is $7,500 plus coach class airfare and expenses for (2) two. Is this within budget?” > > When the Daily Mail asked Hollyhand for comment on the fee, he denied receiving payments for speaking on campus, which he echoed in a statement to the Daily Beast, saying that he doesn’t charge for travel or to speak at “campus stops,” but does seek fees for “large conferences,” which can be hosted at a university. > > “For large conferences, I, like every other conference participant who’s invited to speak, get reimbursed for the basic costs of getting there which is absolutely standard,” he wrote. “But for campus stops, I cover all costs myself and get there on my own, which still seems to upset the haters. 😂” > > That statement differed, however, from what his booking agent had emailed the Daily Mail as an “amendment,” saying, “For campus events Brilyn is happy to work with whatever budget is available to bring in a speaker,” suggesting that he would accept payment. > > After the Mail published its story, another young MAGA leader, William Branson Donahue, [posted an invoice from February](https://x.com/realwilldonahue/status/1973801014156235239/photo/1) which showed Hollyhand had been paid $2191.91 for “travel, lodging and meals,” for an event at State College, PA, for Penn State College Republicans, saying that made Hollyhand’s denial he take cash to speak “a lie.” ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1942 "2025-10-03T05:54:44Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > As always, IOKWARDI. Or as the line goes: > Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. Double standards are core to the conservative mentality. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1943 "2025-10-03T15:55:24Z")
Plus, it’s all about the grift. Follow the money. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1944 "2025-10-04T15:06:39Z")
[Didn’t even take a month.](https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&geo=US&q=charlie%20kirk&hl=en) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2025, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1945 "2025-10-09T07:13:45Z")
I’ve never been to Jerusalem or any other part of Israel, but I’m reliably informed that there are a number of things there commemmorating a certain person at the center of one religion. [Why do I mention this? Let me explain.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/florida-republican-unveils-bill-threatening-134048740.html) > [@](#): > > Florida state Rep. Kevin Steele (R) filed a bill Tuesday that threatens state funding to public universities and colleges if they do not rename specific roads after [conservative activist](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/live-updates-trump-economic-moves-124114041.html) Charlie Kirk. > > The bill points to specific roads at campuses Steele wants colleges to rename after Kirk, who was assassinated last month while speaking on a college campus in Utah. > > If a campus does not comply, the bill says state funding will be withheld from the institution. > > * * * > > * * * > > If passed, the bill would be set to go into law immediately instead of the typical July 1 date for most such Florida measures. Once the law goes into effect, a university would have 90 days to rename the road before funding would be cut. [Oh, yeah. Oklahoma got there first.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/oklahoma-republicans-propose-bill-requiring-171238907.html) > [@](#): > > [Oklahoma](https://blavity.com/oklahoma-to-require-teachers-from-new-york-california-pass-america-first-test) Republican legislators introduced a controversial bill that would require colleges and universities to build a memorial in remembrance of [Charlie Kirk](https://blavity.com/hbcus-were-on-lockdown-following-threats-after-charlie-kirk-death) on campuses. > > Kirk, who founded the far-right group Turning Point USA and was known for his inflammatory rhetoric against women, people of color and the LGBTQ+ community, was assassinated on Sept. 10 at Utah Valley University. & > [@](#): > > The [bill](https://legiscan.com/OK/text/SB1187/id/3269906) indicates all institutions part of the Oklahoma State System of Higher Education must establish a square or plaza known as the Charlie Kirk Memorial Plaza. The area should be located in a prominent area on the college’s main campus, highly visible and easily accessible, according to the introduced legislation. [And then we have Candace “Call me Helena” Owens.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/candace-owens-says-charlie-kirk-015022568.html) > [@](#): > > Political commentator Candace Owens claimed on Tuesday that the late Charlie Kirk visited her in a dream over the weekend and told her “he was betrayed.” > > “I want you guys to know something. I want to share this with you. You can take it or you can leave it, but Charlie was betrayed,” said Owens on her [podcast](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5autG89PW6w) _Candace_. “I’ve known this really since the first second, but I rarely have vivid dreams, and I did in fact have a very vivid one over the weekend. This is a cult, without a shadow of a doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2025, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1946 "2025-10-09T07:47:34Z")
So Candace Owens is trying to cast herself as some kind of prophet or oracle? And Kirk had a Judas figure around him? Yeah that checks out. These people are creepy as fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2025, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1947 "2025-10-09T09:22:59Z")
They’re creepy as fuck AND currently in control of the country. Which is even more “creepy as fuck”. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2025, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1948 "2025-10-09T14:20:31Z")
In a very nutty shell, according to Candace The Jews killed our Christ a second time, > **[Rightwing podcasters run rampant with Charlie Kirk conspiracies: ‘It’s craven...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/24/charlie-kirk-conspiracies-rightwing-podcasters)** > > After the Turning Point USA CEO’s killing, Candace Owens and other far-right stars are trying to persuade listeners of unfounded theories about Israel and federal involvement ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2025, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1949 "2025-10-09T14:40:47Z")
I never heard of the fucker while he was alive. Now people are losing their jobs for not agreeing with the sentiment that Charlie Kirk-Goebbels was the saintiest saint who ever sainted. It doesn’t take long to find and verify quotes that reveal him to be a racist, misogynist, xenophobic, Islamophobic, anti-Semitic, fascist mostherfucker. I don’t celebrate his death but I sure as hell see nothing to mourn over. I’m saving my death celebration for the Orange Walrus. And I don’t call his murder an assassination- that term I reserve for the killing of notable figures. When the nation regains its sanity, Kirk-Goebbels will be remembered only for being just one of many assholes that enabled the election of the most evil person the US has ever produced. ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2025, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1950 "2025-10-09T14:51:24Z")
Happy birthday. (That cake looks smaller than it used to ..!!) ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2025, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1951 "2025-10-09T15:04:49Z")
> [@pjd](#): > > That cake looks smaller than it used to I blame trump. It’s the tariffs. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2025, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1952 "2025-10-09T15:07:37Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > It doesn’t take long to find and verify quotes that reveal him to be a racist, misogynist, xenophobic, Islamophobic, anti-Semitic, fascist mostherfucker Aside from that, Mrs Lincoln, how was the show? That particular fuckwit only recently drifted into my orb because I do not follow the RW idiots. I cannot say I am glad he is dead, but I am glad he is silent. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2025, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1953 "2025-10-09T15:45:27Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > It doesn’t take long to find and verify quotes that reveal him to be a racist, misogynist, xenophobic, Islamophobic, anti-Semitic, fascist mostherfucker. Anti-Science too, including seeding doubts about climate change, vaccines and evolution. He was a menace to himself and everything else in the education world… [yes, birds too](https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPB9ucgkUjA/). ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2025, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1954 "2025-10-09T16:32:19Z")
> [@pjd](#): > > (That cake looks smaller than it used to ..!!) Trumpland, PJ. It affects things you’d not expect. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2025, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1955 "2025-10-09T16:39:57Z")
My apologies, I left out homophobic and transphobic from Saint Charlie’s shortcomings. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2025, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1956 "2025-10-09T17:17:34Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I never heard of the fucker while he was alive. I had heard of him and knew of his so-called on-campus debates. But I ignored most of what I read about him. After his death, however, I have come to realize just how big of an influencer he was, particularly among the younger voters. And I am in total agreement with this: > [@scudsucker](#): > > I cannot say I am glad he is dead, but I am glad he is silent. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2025, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1957 "2025-10-09T17:35:24Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > [yes, birds too](https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPB9ucgkUjA/). Obviously, that wasn’t the link I was expecting. That’s …pathetic. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2025, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1958 "2025-10-09T19:17:36Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Obviously, that wasn’t the link I was expecting. That’s …pathetic. Sad. I told you it was a menace… 😉 Of course that was a riff of a line from the movie [Airplane!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdHfN2NVEDQ), I was thinking on changing the birds for another thing, until l noticed that duck painting from a Charlie fan, there was an even sadder one that had a cockatiel singing when it heard the tv music from his memorial, and the fan of Charlie thought it was a miracle… ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2025, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916/1959 "2025-10-09T19:54:54Z")
I am a little torn on which K he should replace. “Ku Kirk’s Klan” seems to scan more faithfully, but “Ku Klux Kirks” has a certain ring to it (a circle of Kirks). “Kirk’s Klux Klan” is just wrong. ---
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This may belong elsewhere as well, but it certainly is appropriate for this thread. Turning Point USA will host their alternative Super Bowl halftime show, which of course will celebrate “faith, family and freedom”. > Turning Point USA with its announcement launched a form for people to express interest in music genres, with one of the choices being “anything in English.” > > The other options included Americana, classic rock, country, hip hop, pop and worship. [https://www.axios.com/2025/10/09/turning-point-usa-bad-bunny-rival-super-bowl-halftime-show](https://www.axios.com/2025/10/09/turning-point-usa-bad-bunny-rival-super-bowl-halftime-show) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=97) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ally-and-conservative-pundit-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-event-now-reported-deceased-same-date-10sep2025/1022916.md?page=99)