# Trump ally and conservative pundit Charlie Kirk shot at Utah event \[now reported deceased, same date 10SEP2025\]

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> [@Moriarty](#):
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> As I understand it, some of the right wing criticism was because Kirk was _downplaying_ the importance of Epstein. He was saying that we should take the word of the government that there is nothing there, angering many who have been clamoring for its release.

I posted this before the assassin was apprehended and identified.

> [@Charlie Kirk is Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/charlie-kirk-is-dead/1022935/69):
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> Personally I think a more likely hypothesis is that the shooter is a right-wing nut who’s all-in on the Epstein conspiracy, just like Kirk was until a few weeks ago, which is when Trump said “stop talking about it,” at which point Kirk obediently buttoned up, causing confusion and consternation among the true believers. The possibility that the killer is one of these lunatics feels more plausible to me than the prospect that he’s consciously trying to ignite things with some sort of false flag murder.

It just seemed obvious to me, but then I follow this stuff pretty closely and was already aware of the schisms.

Of course, none of this is actually proven yet. He could still turn out to be a leftist rebel in a MAGA family. But if he isn’t, and I’m right above, then my point is that it shouldn’t be at all surprising.

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