# Trump and Harris agree to September 10th ABC debate - Watch Along Starts at Post 431 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump, kamala-harris\ **Created:** [August 8, 2024, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440 "2024-08-08T20:59:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1201 "2024-09-11T04:10:50Z")
Trump speaking on CNN right now. “My best debate ever. Polls show that I won.” (Paraphrased.) Then he walked away. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1202 "2024-09-11T04:12:48Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > Hillary Clinton must be worn out from laughing. Confining the speakers to their podiums is essential. The way trump was allowed to stand behind Hillary at that debate was unconscionable. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1203 "2024-09-11T04:15:34Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Someone from my small Minnesota home town just posted that Trump had to debate 3 people, and got a few agreements. Yeah watching the debate, that was obviously the way they were going to spin it. Trump conflicted with the moderators, Harris didn’t so they must have been in collusion with her. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1204 "2024-09-11T04:16:41Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > If anyone wants further confirmation of who won the debate, look no further than Fox News. In one column they’re quoting a right-wing radio talk-show host claiming that the moderators were always fact-checking Trump – very unfair! In another, House GOP Conference Chairwoman Elise Stefanik, R-N.Y. is quoted as calling the debate moderators “pro-Kamala activists”. I think this is how Republicans are going to spin this loss. You cited Fox News; and right now Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC) is on CNN saying essentially the same thing: the moderators were biased; they fact-checked Trump more than Harris, and so on. (Also, something about “sleeper cells” of illegals/criminals in the US.) Anyway, I’m sure we’ll see other RW sources spouting the same “ABC’s mods were biased” stuff later tonight or tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1205 "2024-09-11T04:17:15Z")
> [@Win\_Place\_Show](#): > > I think one of y’all alluded to this earlier, but there’s a 0% chance he agrees to another debate after tonight, right? trump pass up a chance to blather? Never. > [@Irishman](#): > > I did notice Harris dodge the flip-flop question. She repeated the “My values haven’t changed” line that Lindsey Davis already said, then went off on values. I wish she had addressed the point directly with something like, Here what she should have said- you just asked me three rather complex policy questions, i dont think i will have the time to answer them in this forum. I would have picked gun buy back- “whats wrong with a totally voluntary gun back back, and getting a few guns off the street? The reason why I have dropped it, is that you know the current Congress wont give me the funding needed for a voluntary buy back.” It was unfair to hit Harris with a triple question when she had limited time to answer. > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Taylor Swift endorses Kamala and Tim. Yay. > [@rocking\_chair](#): > > Tim walz is delighted. Oh god, the huge smile when they cut to him, he was so damn happy. > [@psychobunny](#): > > Finally, the moderators were great with the real-time fact checking. They kept it to just the most egregious lies but it helped. > > Overall, I would say Harris won but Trump did not implode as thoroughly as I had hoped. I was wondering what drugs they had him on- Adderall? He didnt blather pointlessly as much as he usually does. Until later, anyway. > [@Spoons](#): > > “My best debate ever. Polls show that I won.” (Paraphrased.) > **[Who won the Trump-Harris presidential debate? Newsweek writers' verdicts](https://www.newsweek.com/who-won-presidential-debate-trump-harris-1951319)** > > Our writers declare who won the first Harris-Trump presidential debate and why—plus have your say. Of the dozen plus pundits, only one said trump won. A couple did say tie. > [@Spoons](#): > > Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC) is on CNN saying essentially the same thing: the moderators were biased; they fact-checked Trump more than Harris, and so on. Well- “after birth abortions?” “Illegals eating peoples pets”? I mean, those werent just false, those were pants on fire lies. They had to fact check him there. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1206 "2024-09-11T04:19:45Z")
CNN is reporting that Trump spoke for 42:52 and Harris 37:36, in case anyone was wondering. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1207 "2024-09-11T04:22:42Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The way trump was allowed to stand behind Hillary at that debate was unconscionable. Kamala getting all up into his personal space for a handshake was a nice reversal though. And of course when Trump tried the “I’m speaking” bit on her, he had to oversell it by saying “see what I did there?!?” > [@Spoons](#): > > “My best debate ever. Polls show that I won.” (Paraphrased.) Well, I guess he hasn’t checked that Taylor Swift poll, which currently shows 3.496 million likes. (I know not every like on Instagram translates directly to electoral support for Kamala Harris in the US but Trump is the one who is always going on about how the ultimate metric of his superiority is crowd size so…) > [@DrDeth](#): > > I mean, those werent just false, those were pants on fire lies. They had to fact check him there. Yeah, I don’t know why no one has pointed out the obvious which is that Kamala didn’t need to be fact checked because she wasn’t up there telling a bunch of lies! Trump was the only one playing stupid games hence he alone won all the stupid prizes. “She didn’t get fact checked!” is not the flex his supporters think it is. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1208 "2024-09-11T04:24:28Z")
I haven’t read any posts in this thread. Harris did as well as I expected. She looked confident and made her points. Trump lied with every ramble. He looked squinty and unfocused. The moderation managed to fact-check a few lies. But they also allowed Trump to have the last word on almost every topic. Perfect example of pushy old man bullying. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1209 "2024-09-11T04:27:16Z")
I only watched the first half and thought Kamala kicked ass but was disappointed that Trump seemed to be having a relatively coherent night by his own standards. Relatively…I did not have “she wants to give transgender surgeries to illegal aliens in prison” on my bingo card. 🤣 🤣 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1210 "2024-09-11T04:27:42Z")
> [@Win\_Place\_Show](#): > > I think one of y’all alluded to this earlier, but there’s a 0% chance he agrees to another debate after tonight, right? Only if Hannity, Watters, and Ingraham moderate. They are the only ones who know aren’t afraid to tell the truth. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1211 "2024-09-11T04:34:34Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > CNN is reporting that Trump spoke for 42:52 and Harris 37:36 So he got 5+ extra minutes of airtime/facetime than she did. And they allowed it. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1212 "2024-09-11T04:36:01Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > I watched the whole thing, then checked Fox News, then came here. You called it 100%. They only fact check poor ole Donnie. I saw an after-the-fact fact checker on CNN. He scored it 33+:1+. They did show the one explicit lie that he attributed to Harris. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1213 "2024-09-11T04:36:17Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > But they also allowed Trump to have the last word on almost every topic. When the last word is “covfefe” I’m not particularly upset. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1214 "2024-09-11T04:37:08Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > Yeah, I don’t know why no one has pointed out the obvious which is that Kamala didn’t need to be fact checked because she wasn’t up there telling a bunch of lies! Trump was the only one playing stupid games hence he alone won all the stupid prizes. “She didn’t get fact checked!” is not the flex his supporters think it is. I am going to bet Harris gets some half true and “needs more info” type ratings. But _no pants on fire liar_ ratings. > **[Live Trump-Harris presidential debate fact-checks](https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/sep/10/presidential-debate-live-fact-check-harris-trump/)** > > Follow live presidential debate fact checks of Kamala Harris, Donald Trump on the economy, abortion, immigration, Social Security, crime. such as _"Harris said “we have created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs. “_ _This figure is close, but it comes with caveats."_ But trump got a lot of “False” ratings. Harris has none so far. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1215 "2024-09-11T04:38:18Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I saw an after-the-fact fact checker on CNN. He scored it 33+:1+. Only 33? Wow. They must’ve slept through half of it. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1216 "2024-09-11T04:46:23Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I saw an after-the-fact fact checker on CNN. He scored it 33+:1+. They did show the one explicit lie that he attributed to Harris. CNN’s fact checks on tonight’s debate: > **[Fact-checking the ABC presidential debate | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/10/politics/fact-check-debate-trump-harris/index.html)** > > Former President Donald Trump delivered more than 30 false claims during Tuesday’s presidential debate against Vice President Kamala Harris, CNN’s preliminary count found – as he did during his June debate against President Joe Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1217 "2024-09-11T04:54:59Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > So he got 5+ extra minutes of airtime/facetime than she did. And they allowed it. It seemed a deliberate strategy. There were several questions she didn’t use her full allotted time. Succinct and focused vs meandering and incomprehensible. The Harris team is really pushing the contrasts every way they can. Not everything has a nefarious purpose behind it. ETA: Part of it seemed to allow the nonverbal reactions as well. While he went on whatever random stream of word salad, the split scream showed her facial reactions the entire time (so by “face time” they both got about the same - the difference is mainly in speaking time). By contrast, his body language was terrible while she was talking. A picture is worth a thousand words and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1218 "2024-09-11T04:58:25Z")
One thing that really impressed me about Harris is that when Trump was speaking, she looked at him and watched closely and reacted accordingly. He could barely look at her at all. You also saw it in her pursuing him at the start to shake his hand, while he seemed to want to hide behind the safety of his podium, and him walking away at the end without any handshake offer. Non-verbal language is so important. She is a much classier person and he was clearly rattled. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1219 "2024-09-11T05:00:20Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > It seemed a deliberate strategy. There were several questions she didn’t use her full allotted time. Trump’s extra minutes were almost all following Harris’ responses, when the moderator started to speak, and trump would cut in and start ranting. Instead of stopping him, they continually let him run on. Those were not his allotted time slots. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1220 "2024-09-11T05:00:41Z")
> [@Win\_Place\_Show](#): > > I know it’s only one data point, but on Predictit he started around 50% chances at the start of the debate, and now he’s around the 45 - 46% range in just an hour. A friend tells me that on polymarket Trump was up by 6 points before the debate, and now it’s tied. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440.md?page=62)