# Trump and Harris agree to September 10th ABC debate - Watch Along Starts at Post 431 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump, kamala-harris\ **Created:** [August 8, 2024, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440 "2024-08-08T20:59:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1321 "2024-09-11T15:54:21Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > The biggest post-debate polling bump in the last four presidential cycles was for Mitt Romney after the first debate in 2012 I’m not prematurely celebrating and 99% sure this election will come down to nervously counting ballots in Pittsburgh but I think that a lot of previous data might not apply well to this election due to the circumstances. A day or two ago, I saw polling that some 30% of respondents felt they didn’t know Harris well enough to make a decision, for instance. By the time previous debates rolled around, we had spent the year hearing about the candidates. So I think this debate may have more potential for a lasting change but, again, don’t read that as me thinking it’s in the bag. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1322 "2024-09-11T15:59:22Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > There are actually people watching this thinking that he’s killing it. Yeah unfortunately I am one who thinks Trump did better. Especially in the beginning. Examples: when VP Harris was too close to the mic or had dry mouth or something because I heard audible clicking. Not a fan of Harris’s hand gestures which I found distracting (likewise with Trump’s funny faces). I don’t appreciate Trump attacking Harris personally but the flipside is that I don’t like when Harris baits Trump, which was most of her debate. I don’t want Trump, but I also don’t want a President who thinks her job is to troll Republicans. Most of Trump’s attacks on Harris’s record and policy carried weight in my opinion. etc. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1323 "2024-09-11T16:04:27Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > My overall Harris grade: A-/B+ > > She started weak and missed what could have been a home-run first question about “better off than 4 years ago” by reminding us what a disastrous state the country was in in 2020. I grade her at an A, or even an A+, mostly because I see her answer to that first question differently. That first question was the most difficult one she faced all night, or at least the one most fraught with danger had she answered differently. Other than COVID, we weren’t in bad shape in 2020 (at least not as far as I can remember). Had she taken the tactic of saying that things were bad back then, it could have backfired. It would also have given Trump the opportunity to toot his own horn rather than go off on the tangent on immigration like he actually did. Instead she answered it as best as she could have given the facts. Trump did all the heavy lifting after that, with all his rants unrelated to the questions being asked. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1324 "2024-09-11T16:06:21Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I saw polling that some 30% of respondents felt they didn’t know Harris well enough to make a decision… I do not understand this line of thinking **at all**. You don’t have to know her-- you just have to know HIM! A department store mannequin would make a better president than trump. * * * > [@Max\_S](#): > > I also don’t want a President who thinks her job is to troll Republicans. Seriously, that’s ALL you got from last night’s debate? 🫤 ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1325 "2024-09-11T16:10:32Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > How much fact checking did they actually do? > > 1. Baby Executions > 2. Cat Dinners > 3. Crime Stats > > I can’t think of a fourth, but we could list dozens of lies and exaggerations. Interesting definition of “virtually everything” there, buddy. Oh my God, so this. The moderators could have set the record straight at least 33 times – but they only did it four times! I wanted to scream. Not that they should have done it all 33 times – they were right to, more often than not, give Harris the chance to do this. Something like 10 times would have been about right. (Which she did do…only about half the time, to my dismay. But I guess doing a lot more of this would have taken time away from the other points and impressions she had to make – fair enough. Still, again, I wish she had clearly called Trump out on the “criminal immigrants”\*\* crap, the first time he spouted that shit – and maybe also the fifth time, and the tenth time. Yeah, about once every five times would have done nicely.) \*\*I.e., the bunkum that immigrants are more likely to commit crimes – and that one’s immigration status has anything to do with any specific crime (other than certain ones like certain drug smuggling crimes – but not some random hit-and-run driver in Omaha or whatever, as a thousand GOP campaign ads are screaming day and night). ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1326 "2024-09-11T16:12:21Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Putin gave some troll endorsement of Harris the other week so I’m sure that, if she said that, it would have just resulted in Trump talking about how Putin actually loves Harris and fears Trump. Probably right. She did say that Putin would eat him for breakfast. Truer words never spake. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1327 "2024-09-11T16:12:38Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > I don’t want Trump, but I also don’t want a President who thinks her job is to troll Republicans. It’s much more than trolling. It’s laying bare Trump has no free will. If I do this, he WILL, 100%, do that. He is so easily manipulated. That is something Harris said several times (Putin would eat your lunch, etc.) and something Harris actually did several times during the debate (the baiting, or trolling, whatever you want to call it - it’s manipulation). I _definitely_ want a President who can manipulate other people, and who is not manipulated herself. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1328 "2024-09-11T16:16:14Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > I also don’t want a President who thinks her job is to troll Republicans. She isn’t. She’s a candidate who thinks her job is to become president and baiting the opponent into showing off what a raving nutball he is on public display is part of that. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1329 "2024-09-11T16:16:41Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > I don’t want Trump, but I also don’t want a President who thinks her job is to troll Republicans. Most of Trump’s attacks on Harris’s record and policy carried weight in my opinion. etc. She gave us a bit of her plans and hopes for what she’d do in her presidency. A little better than saying after 8 years you might have a few concepts of ideas of health care. She went fishing last night and the big orange fish bit on every fly she laid on the water. I didn’t get that she thinks that her job is solely trolling Republicans any more than I think my duties around the house are taking out the garbage. It’s just a dirty job that someone needs to do. You can’t do a thing as president unless you win the election and to win the election you have to make your opponent less electable. Politics ain’t beanbag. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1330 "2024-09-11T16:17:31Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > But I suggested failure of the Harris campaign to ask for multiple debates was just a matter of timing. It indeed was She’s said for some time, I believe, that she’d discuss additional debates after/if Trump showed up for this one. > [@digs](#): > > no need to fear the pet-eating being mentioned… ?? It definitely was mentioned. Trump made that claim twice. Moderator called them on it once. [I still haven’t read most of the intervening thread. Work to be done and lovely weather to do it in. Will read a bit more when I get to belated lunch.] ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1331 "2024-09-11T16:20:23Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > She’s said for some time, I believe, that she’d discuss additional debates after/if Trump showed up for this one. Yes, and the Harris campaign said they want more immediately after last night’s debate. They’ve been very consistent. > **[Harris campaign seeks second debate. Trump says he's "less inclined" to...](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/debate-trump-harris-second-debate/)** > > Tuesday's debate came after weeks of back and forth over whether the matchup would occur at all. Another matchup isn't guaranteed. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1332 "2024-09-11T16:21:11Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I didn’t get that she thinks that her job is solely trolling Republicans any more than I think my duties around the house are taking out the garbage. It’s just a dirty job that someone needs to do. Love it. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1333 "2024-09-11T16:22:19Z")
Washington Post did the standard “undecided” swing state voter focus group thing. ([gift link](https://wapo.st/3XEF4CX)). Some of the responses do remind me of the [SNL skit,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAG37Kw1-aw) but if the before/after poll accurately translates to a change in voting it Trump is in trouble. Who would you vote for (pre-debate) Definitely Harris: 0 Probably Harris: 12 Neither: 3 Probably Trump: 10 Definitely Trump: 0 Who performed better at the debate: Harris: 23 Trump: 2 Who would you vote for (post-debate) Definitely Harris: 5 Probably Harris: 10 Neither: 3 Probably Trump: 6 Definitely Trump: 0 No Response: 1 ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1334 "2024-09-11T16:26:29Z")
I’m alway left with the feeling that some of these undecided voters are _undecided_ as to whether they will vote for Trump or storm the Capitol to install him by force. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1335 "2024-09-11T16:28:08Z")
> [@Win\_Place\_Show](#): > > Yep, the NY Times has it around the same. Paywalled. What does it say? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1336 "2024-09-11T16:30:35Z")
For those that like the numbers. MSNBC’s Stephanie Ruhle reported that he spoke 39 times for a total of 41.9 minutes, to her 23 times for a total of 37.1 minutes. But the extra time did him no favors. Was I the only one who thought trump might go full cannibal when he kept repeating “ they’re eating! They’re eating!”. I was waiting for him to just shout “YOU”. At the end of that rant. I was hoping there would be a fly… ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1337 "2024-09-11T16:33:14Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I’m alway left with the feeling that some of these undecided voters are _undecided_ as to whether they will vote for Trump or storm the Capitol to install him by force. Or whether they will vote for trump or make a peanut butter sandwich and take a nap. Some decisions are **hard**. ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1338 "2024-09-11T16:38:33Z")
Harris kept mouthing something toward the mike. I asked my roommates what she said almost rhythmically when Trump talked. He said she’s saying “Bullshit” over and over. It was just subtle enough to stay within the rules ---
**Author:** ![Win\_Place\_Show](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/win_place_show/32/13469_2.png) [@Win\_Place\_Show](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Win_Place_Show)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1339 "2024-09-11T16:47:03Z")
Sorry, I just remembered that I canceled my NYT subscription so I don’t even have the “gift link” option. And I can’t get the screenshot to post as a jpg here. This is a link to where they posted it on Facebook, if that does any good at all? > **[Log into Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=906637204652077&set=a.659199489395851)** > > Log into Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family, and people you know. Here’s the jist : Total Time Talking: KH 37:41 DT 43:03 Time Attacking Opponent : KH 17:25 DT 12:54 There’s more detail by topic, but nothing too notable. Maybe someone will come along who still has a NYT subscription who can share the gift link. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1340 "2024-09-11T16:52:01Z")
Okay, Harris’s new campaign ad is too good not to share: > [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440.md?page=66) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440.md?page=68)