# Trump and Harris agree to September 10th ABC debate - Watch Along Starts at Post 431 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump, kamala-harris\ **Created:** [August 8, 2024, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440 "2024-08-08T20:59:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1361 "2024-09-11T18:09:00Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > I don’t want Trump, but I also don’t want a President who thinks her job is to troll Republicans. Most of Trump’s attacks on Harris’s record and policy carried weight in my opinion. etc. Thank you. I am glad to see posters brave enough to challenge the dominant narrative here. Harris is not a conviction politician like Margaret Thatcher (privatization), or Bernie Sanders (socialism), or maybe even Donald Trump (nativism). There is no one big idea she is in politics to achieve. She presented real proposals last night, but her presidency will not depend on them, and, in any event, such proposals would not come out of Congress the way they went in. I’m comfortable with this. Harris is a competent leader who will preside over a cabinet of distinguished experts. I suppose this sounds horribly elitist to many others and do not condemn those who look at it another way. Baiting Trump last night was risky. If DJT had been able to hide his real self for ninety minutes, it would have backfired. But the Trump she brought out in the open is the real one. He’s the dangerous irresponsible self-centered anti-NATO isolationist that his four star generals and foreign policy advisors faced for four years. The danger would be greater next time because Trump is learning to hire toadies. It was in the national interest to let voters see the real Trump. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1362 "2024-09-11T18:09:29Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > You missed his scowling, exaggerated eyerolls, smirks, head shakes, grimaces, and barely reined-in fury. Not to mention how old and raddled he looked. And his moist upper lip, which by the end of the program was actually the drippage from his runny nose. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1363 "2024-09-11T18:20:06Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Baiting Trump last night was risky. If DJT had been able to hide his real self for ninety minutes, it would have backfired. A pretty safe bet that he would and could not, though. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1364 "2024-09-11T18:27:10Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Harris is a competent leader who will preside over a cabinet of distinguished experts. That sounds like the kind of person this country needs in the top position. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1365 "2024-09-11T18:52:54Z")
Did he seem less orange as the night went on? ---
**Author:** ![TeroSunbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terosunbear/32/14748_2.png) [@TeroSunbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeroSunbear)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1366 "2024-09-11T18:56:09Z")
Picture of angry Trump storming off stage in commercial break: > **[Jon Cooper (@joncooper.us) on Threads](https://www.threads.net/@joncooper.us/post/C_x5RwHve0V?xmt=AQGzlBd9qn_mtIzIB4JSu6VG_86hNTDI4rGneulhm2pygQ)** > > An angry Trump storms off the debate stage during the second 4-minute commercial break. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1367 "2024-09-11T18:56:54Z")
> **[Fact checking debate claims from Trump and Harris' 2024 presidential faceoff](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-harris-abc-debate-fact-check/)** > > CBS News fact-checked Trump and Harris in their first 2024 presidential debate, where they challenged each other on their plans for the economy and America's future. Trump got a lot of “False” ratings- like 9 counting “misleadings” Harris only got a “Misleading”, a “needs context”. an “inconclusive”. No False ratings. Pretty good for a career politician. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1368 "2024-09-11T19:01:57Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > the need to fact-check virtually everything the former president said Well, when virtually everything the former president said is a preposterous lie… ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1369 "2024-09-11T19:15:57Z")
Here’s an analysis of the debate, it’s an AP article, just not on AP’s web site. > **[Donald Trump faces his own debate fallout just months after benefitting from...](https://www.wdbj7.com/2024/09/11/donald-trump-faces-his-own-debate-fallout-just-months-after-benefitting-joe-bidens/?outputType=amp)** > > By the end of Tuesday night, it was the 78-year-old Trump on the defensive after the 59-year-old Harris controlled much of the debate. To summarize, by every objective measure it was bad for Trump and good for Harris. That’s not just wishful thinking or left wing bias. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1370 "2024-09-11T19:16:00Z")
Yeah, that is the problem with fact checking articles is that they usually pick the 4-5 most controversial statements from each candidate and then fact check those, which misses the fact that Trump basically lied every single sentence, while Harris said a few things that were not quite right. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1371 "2024-09-11T19:29:42Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > > Harris Wants to Do “Transgender Operations on Illegal Aliens That Are in Prison” This one sounds like right-wing buzzword bingo bullshit, but somewhat amusingly, it’s probably closer to the truth than most of what came out of his mouth. On a questionnaire from the ACLU in 2019, Harris wrote “it is important that transgender individuals who rely on the state for care receive the treatment they need,” and “transition treatment is a medical necessity.” Obviously his statement lacks needed context, and the “illegal aliens” is his own fabrication. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1372 "2024-09-11T19:35:18Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > my wife spotted one of our Trumper relatives complaining about Trump’s dog-eating immigrant thing. And – some of his supporters are farmers and other business owners trying to hire workers. Some of those, of course, will say ‘ours are the good ones, he means those other guys’ – but Trump’s threatening to deport them all and not let in replacements. > [@wguy123](#): > > checked Fox News, then came here. You called it 100%. They only fact check poor ole Donnie. The idea that poor old Donnie is the only one spouting blatant lies isn’t one that they’re going to admit to. > [@wguy123](#): > > > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > > > I saw an after-the-fact fact checker on CNN. He scored it 33+:1+. > > Only 33? Wow. They must’ve slept through half of it. Some of them were the same ones repeated. > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > the split scream Nice typo! > [@Spoons](#): > > “Illegal Haitians are eating peoples’ pets in Ohio! They’re going to perform transgender surgery on prison inmates! Harris lost the debate and wants another!” > > Bizarro World indeed. And a couple of major cities burned down, though apparently that didn’t make the news. > [@flurb](#): > > Respectfully, guess which clips from that statement would have been run ceaselessly in negative campaign ads against her. Yeah, there were a couple of things she didn’t answer for which I think the reason was that there was no way to answer them that wouldn’t have produced a clip that could have been so used when taken out of context. I think she was being very careful to avoid a “deplorables” moment. A lot of people do think they’re worse off than they were under Trump, for instance. Some of them are wrong, and some of them are confusing the beginning of Trump’s term with the end of it, and some of them due to individual circumstances are right. But Harris can’t say they’re better off than they were, or they’ll be furious. And she can’t, obviously, say people aren’t better off. And if she gives a detailed proper explanation of why people think that when the economy’s roaring – way too many people will either never see/hear, or never pay attention to, the whole thing. So she ducked the question – but she pretty much had to. > [@Win\_Place\_Show](#): > > One moment I haven’t seen rehashed too much in this thread (at least post-debate) is when you KNOW she wanted to say “and THIS motherf-r” but at the last possible nanosecond she managed to bite her tongue That was beautifully done; and I’m not entirely sure that it wasn’t planned. “You know and I know that he deserves to be called [worst expletive of the viewer’s imagination] but I have such good self-control that I’m not going to do it!” > [@Max\_S](#): > > I also don’t want a President who thinks her job is to troll Republicans. Her job in that debate was to win that debate. And Trump is not in any real sense a Republican. I expect Harris can tell the difference. > [@Max\_S](#): > > Most of Trump’s attacks on Harris’s record and policy carried weight in my opinion. etc. How about his lies about immigrants eating cats, burning down Milwaulkee, and massively raising USA crime rates? > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Harris’s new campaign ad is too good not to share Anybody have a link not on x or facebook? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1373 "2024-09-11T19:36:26Z")
I recall there was a fact check that Harris did not meet with Putin before the invasion, as Trump claimed. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1374 "2024-09-11T19:40:57Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Anybody have a link not on x or facebook? Link goes to a replay of the entire debate under the headline “Our new ad just dropped” ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1375 "2024-09-11T19:41:50Z")
Nevermind ---
**Author:** ![Win\_Place\_Show](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/win_place_show/32/13469_2.png) [@Win\_Place\_Show](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Win_Place_Show)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1376 "2024-09-11T19:42:01Z")
removed ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1377 "2024-09-11T19:43:45Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > > [@Irishman](#): > > > > I watched her wind him up on crowd size and it was brilliant. > > [Moderator asking a specific question] > > Trump: Let me talk about crowd size. Sorry, it was going to his rally with people leaving early. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1378 "2024-09-11T19:47:04Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Link goes to a replay of the entire debate under the headline “Our new ad just dropped” Ah. Thanks for info. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1379 "2024-09-11T19:54:29Z")
I think it was mentioned that Trump is claiming that he “won” the debate and “all the polls show it”. Of course they don’t, but here’s an interesting “poll”, wherein the stock price of DJT (“Truth Social”) is a proxy for Trump’s likely future. Note the stock performance the morning after the debate. [![](https://i.imgur.com/c6RsfYo.jpeg) ](https://i.imgur.com/c6RsfYo.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1380 "2024-09-11T20:13:34Z")
> [@digs](#): > > no need to fear the pet-eating being mentioned… > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > It definitely was mentioned. Trump made that claim twice. Moderator called them on it once. He said no need to _fear_ it being mentioned. It was a plus. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440.md?page=68) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440.md?page=70)