# Trump and Harris agree to September 10th ABC debate - Watch Along Starts at Post 431 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump, kamala-harris\ **Created:** [August 8, 2024, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440 "2024-08-08T20:59:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 72
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1421 "2024-09-11T22:06:48Z")
I did a cursory look but but with confirmation bias being a thing, it’d be better to ask you all, right? Because I’m getting results like [this](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/11/17/kamala-harris-the-sidelined-vice-president/), [this](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/22/jill-biden-kamala-harris-runing-mate-vice-president-book), [this](https://www.politico.com/newsletters/west-wing-playbook/2022/12/20/the-juicy-new-biden-book-00074849), &etc. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1422 "2024-09-11T22:09:00Z")
Oh, I thought you couldn’t find a source. I’m not clicking the blind links, mind you. As far as I’m concerned, if Biden hasn’t thrown her to the wolves, they have a great relationship by comparison to the previous “leadership”. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1423 "2024-09-11T22:09:23Z")
Serious Question: Kamala Harris sounded like a hawk in her convention speech, and doubled-down at the debate. Which is closer to true: – Her team believes that to win against a bully, you have to show strength. But on military policy, she is completely aligned with Biden. – The [Houthi shipping blockage situation](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/09/06/maersk-reports-houthi-attacks-cause-66-percent-drop-in-suez-canal-traffic/) will be getting impossible for the U.S. just about the time the next president takes office. Any competent American leader is going to preside over an escalation there. – Russia and Houthis, watch out. Once Biden, whose dovish instincts were apparent when he tried to get Obama to go slow on the bin Laden operation, is gone, we. will give Ukraine more lattitude and take on the Houthis ourselves. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1424 "2024-09-11T22:10:08Z")
> [@deltogre](#): > > He said that President Biden hates her. > > Really? REALLY? Trump is projecting. If he had to drop out of a race and be replaced by his running mate, he’d be FURIOUS, so he assumes Biden is as well because sociopaths always assume their thought processes are normal and everyone else thinks the same way they do. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1425 "2024-09-11T22:12:23Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Oh, I thought you could’t find a source. For my opinion. I can’t tell you what precisely I read or heard that gave me a general understanding that Biden and Harris don’t get along. I can, very easily, find a number of sources to back up that position _post-hoc_. But I would much prefer in this instance that someone else with more knowledge of the Biden administration do the fact checking, since I don’t have the expertise to evaluate the sources I find. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1426 "2024-09-11T22:13:18Z")
Oh, wow. That sucks. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1427 "2024-09-11T22:19:44Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > But to the original point, I would add that Trump’s performance was actually a little better than I thought it would be. You mean because he didn’t pee on himself (visibly anyway). We did not watch the same event. 🤦🏽‍♀️ Holy crap. ---
**Author:** ![GailForce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/dfb087/32.png) [@GailForce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GailForce)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1428 "2024-09-11T22:23:12Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > You mean because he didn’t pee on himself (visibly anyway). Und zat is vhy der fuehrer alvays vears his brown trousers. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1429 "2024-09-11T22:25:13Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > You mean because he didn’t pee on himself (visibly anyway). We did not watch the same event. 🤦🏽‍♀️ Holy crap. I’ll agree with Max there, in that I legitimately thought something like him pissing himself was in play and was disappointed that he didn’t do so. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1430 "2024-09-11T22:30:21Z")
To answer Max\_S and “don’t get along” Even if this were to be true (I’m not granting that it is), it’s not necessarily a bad thing of they are not bosom buddies. I have no doubt that they do have a cordial and professional working relationship as a base point. One mark of a good leader is to deliberately surround yourself with diversity and to have people that will ask you the difficult questions. Time and again, every single study on diversity shows that while a diverse team may have more conflict, may be more difficult to manage and may not be as much “fun” to be a part of, they produce better results. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1431 "2024-09-11T22:33:32Z")
From a tweet I responded to about Trump being fact-checked: > [@](#): > > Top 5 lies that the ABC News moderators refused to fact-check or falsely fact-checked during the debate: > > 1. Mandatory Firearm Buybacks: > > Kamala Harris told Trump to “stop lying” about her wanting to confiscate firearms. Harris has previously stated multiple times that she wants to launch a mandatory buyback program. > > The ABC moderators said nothing. > > 1. “Fine People” Hoax: > > Kamala Harris claimed Trump called neo-N\*zi’s “very fine people.” This hoax was debunked by Snopes but the ABC moderators let it slide. > > The ABC moderators said nothing. > > 1. Post-Birth Abortion: > > Trump claimed babies were 'k_lled’ outside the womb in failed abortions. Under Tim Walz, babies born alive in botched abortions are allowed to be left to d_e. > > Eight babies who survived abortions in Minnesota were abandoned and sadly perished under Walz. > > The ABC moderators simply said Trump was lying and moved on without adding context. > > 1. Defund the Police: > > Kamala Harris laughed when Trump said she wanted to defund the police. During a previous interview, Harris said having more cops on the street is “wrong.” > > She also supported taking police officers out of schools. > > The ABC moderators said nothing. > > 1. Bl\*\*dbath Hoax: > > Kamala Harris claimed Trump said there would be a bl\*\*dbath if he is not elected, insinuating that his supporters would start k\*lling people. > > This is completely false. The comment was made during a rally where Trump said there would be a “bl\*\*dbath” for the American auto industry if he is not elected. > > The ABC moderators said nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1432 "2024-09-11T22:47:02Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Kamala Harris claimed Trump called neo-N\*zi’s “very fine people.” This hoax was debunked by Snopes but the ABC moderators let it slide. Snopes really dropped the ball on that one - they labeled it false because Trump said there were “very fine people on both sides” instead of specifically saying the phrase “Neo-Nazis are very fine people”, and the right ran with it as proof that Trump didn’t say what he said. It’s so disappointing to see one of the longest-running fact check sites on the web resort to sanewashing. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1433 "2024-09-11T22:48:39Z")
Moderating: If you’re not directly discussing the debate, your post belongs in another thread. This includes the topic about Biden and Harris not getting along. Not appropriate for this thread. @Max_S, I think you should start a new thread to discuss your opinions about Harris. Few of them posted in this thread have to do with her debate performance. @PhillyGuy, this also goes for your discussion re Harris’s views re the Houthis at her convention speech v. the debate. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1434 "2024-09-11T22:50:12Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > It’s so disappointing to see one of the longest-running fact check sites on the web resort to sanewashing. It’s like saying that it’s false to claim that a person claimed, “Black people are very dumb,” when they actually said, “Black people are _really_ dumb.” You’re calling something false on a semantic technicality that is actually true. So yeah, I’m not counting that as something from the debate that needed to be fact-checked. And I’m not saying that because I think Harris was perfect. Some of what she said was false or misleading, but it wasn’t much, and nothing as egregious as the crazy stuff Trump was called out on. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1435 "2024-09-11T22:51:27Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > From a tweet I responded to about Trump being fact-checked: To take the first one in your post, Trump said: “She wants to confiscate your guns” He said it present tense. That makes his statement untrue. Lindsey Davis said: “ You wanted mandatory government buyback programs for assault weapons. Now your campaign says you don’t.” That is true. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1436 "2024-09-11T22:51:40Z")
1. A mandatory buy-back program for certain kinds of firearms (those whose sole purpose is killing large numbers of people in a short time) is NOT “confiscating firearms”. So this claim of a Harris lie is bullshit. 2. Correct, Trump did not directly, completely say that Neo Naxis were “very fine people”. He merely said that of protestors and neo Nazis, there were “very fine people on both sides.” So Harris should have been more accurate, and claimed that Trump likes BOTH Protestors AND the Neo Nazis who murder them. 3. On Abortion; Trumps actual accusation was the Democrats are in favor of executing babies: “(The Democrat governor) said the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby,” Trump [said](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542). “In other words, we’ll execute the baby.” This claim of Trumps was entirely bullshit, and he was called on it. 4. Taking police officers out of schools is not the same as “Defund the police”. Trumps claim that Harris said this is bullshit. 5. Everyone knows what Trump meant about his “bloodbath” comment. The auto-industry excuse was just a fig leaf; a post hoc rationalization. Trump is good at the dog-whistle, and everyone (including his supporters) knows it. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1437 "2024-09-11T23:20:17Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > I don’t want Trump, but I also don’t want a President who thinks her job is to troll Republicans. This is genuinely, laugh out loud funny. What do you think you’re getting with Trump, if not a President who trolls Republicans? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1438 "2024-09-11T23:50:07Z")
I know this guy. A true, hard core Trump believer, have had lunch with him a few times, he was fighting the MAGA fight earlier this summer in fact. Today he posted this, an insane level of copium and lying-to-onselves. But… and it’s there in the 2nd-to-last sentence… deep in his heart of hearts he knows Trump is in trouble: [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53987822187_db90f4bc0d_b.jpg "Copium") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/68782016@N08/53987822187/) I do like how he lied at least once in the first two sentences, for he either didn’t watch the debate, or he did and didn’t like the moderation. Can’t do both! ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1439 "2024-09-12T00:00:42Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > he either didn’t watch the debate, or he did and didn’t like the moderation. Can’t do both! He said “from what I see here”, as in, whatever platform you’re on, that’s where he read about the bad moderators. It’s no different than if I said, “I didn’t watch the debate, but I read here (on the dope) that the moderators didn’t do a good job”. But I’m sure he won’t accept a Harris win as God himself correcting a wrong. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1440 "2024-09-12T00:06:35Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > But I’m sure he won’t accept a Harris win as God himself correcting a wrong. Good point. I decided to use his words against him: [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53988753116_1c440de986_b.jpg "Screenshot\_20240911\_190523\_Facebook") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/68782016@N08/53988753116/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440.md?page=71) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440.md?page=73)