# Trump and Harris agree to September 10th ABC debate - Watch Along Starts at Post 431 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump, kamala-harris\ **Created:** [August 8, 2024, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440 "2024-08-08T20:59:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 73
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1441 "2024-09-12T00:06:54Z")
It’s all good political theatre; posture, presentation, rebuttals, zingers, historical revisionism, he said, they said, it was on Fox news, anonymous polls of battle ground states say etc. As a centre piece for selecting POTUS? It’s how you’d pick from a selection of local belles the Queen of the Spring Fair. There is bugger all debating of policy. And when on that odd occasion one of the candidates announces an initiative “I will announce XXX XXX XXX for all Americans on my first day in office” there isn’t (as there is in less sophisticated democracies) that little Jimminy Cricket voice chirping up from the background saying “… and where is the money coming from?” ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1442 "2024-09-12T00:07:20Z")
Looks like Trump is weaseling out of a second debate, claiming that “there’s no need since I won this one”. He lives in a fantasy world of narcissism and denial. I noticed that at the 9/11 memorial, he was eager to shake her hand for the cameras. She gave him a death stare. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1443 "2024-09-12T00:07:32Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Big Butt, Big Numbers! Weighty numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1444 "2024-09-12T00:23:03Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Looks like Trump is weaseling out of a second debate, claiming that “there’s no need since I won this one” It’s like a comedy film where a bully goes up to a new guy sitting in a chair and threatens him, and when the new stands up and reveals himself to a hulking behemoth, the bully says, “Since you’re new I’ll hold off on kicking your ass this one time.” Trying to play off the fact that he’s terrified and knows he’ll get destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1445 "2024-09-12T00:30:18Z")
**_The Atlantic_ puts it well in an article today by Wehner.** _Over the course of debate, Trump defended the violent mob that had attacked the Capitol. He insisted that the 2020 election had been stolen from him. He relitigated [his slander of the Central Park Five](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/18/nyregion/central-park-five-trump.html). He defended his decision to invite the Taliban to Camp David and invoked Hungary’s authoritarian leader, Viktor Orbán, as a character witness. He couldn’t bring himself to say that he hopes Ukraine will win its war against Russia, even when pressed. And he spent valuable time emphatically insisting that the multiple indictments against him are “fake cases.”_ _But that’s not all. Trump savaged people he had appointed to his administration who have since broken with him. He repeated his claim that Harris wasn’t Black. And then there was the pièce de résistance: Trump spreading the conspiracy theory, weird even by his standards, that [in Springfield, Ohio, Haitian migrants are abducting and devouring their neighbors’ pets](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/09/us/politics/trump-vance-haitians-ohio.html). “They’re eating the dogs!” he roared. “The people that came in—they’re eating the cats!” And he still couldn’t stop himself. When one of the moderators, ABC’s David Muir, rebutted Trump’s claim, the former president said, “I’ve seen people on television! People on television say, ‘My dog was taken and used for food!’”_ ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1446 "2024-09-12T00:36:37Z")
[![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53988994038_051df7bf2f_w.jpg "Donald-Trump-Kamala-Harris-debate-getty-embed-2024~2") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/68782016@N08/53988994038/) … damn, that looks familiar. Where have I seen this before…? [![](https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/180717133009-03-trump-putin-summit-0716-opinion-super-169.jpg) ](https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/180717133009-03-trump-putin-summit-0716-opinion-super-169.jpg) … need a ruling from the judges! [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53988788811_4e736ceaf3_w.jpg "Same picture") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/68782016@N08/53988788811/) ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1447 "2024-09-12T00:39:46Z")
Any one interested in some of the [quotes from the debate done as Simpsons characters](https://i.imgur.com/xHJ0ont.mp4)? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1448 "2024-09-12T00:40:20Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > To be fair, it’s the same thing. People leaving his rally is making the size of the crowd shrink. Look, it was cold in the arena. Some shrinkage is to be expected. > [@JohnT](#): > > Good point. I decided to use his words against him: Yes, Exodus 32 is sadly applicable to Trump. He is not God’s Chosen; he is the golden idol worshipped by those who have turned away from God. I mean, they literally had a golden statue of him at CPAC. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1449 "2024-09-12T00:42:23Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Looks like Trump is weaseling out of a second debate, claiming that “there’s no need since I won this one” One of his campaign staffers said last night on CNN that Trump had already ‘accepted the invitation’ to the 9/25 debate on NBC, and they were waiting on Harris to respond. I don’t believe that NBC has ever announced this, and it’s something that Trump dreamed up a few weeks ago. Scripps News [article](https://www.scrippsnews.com/politics/america-votes/trump-harris-campaigns-weigh-in-on-a-potential-second-debate) which basically says the same thing. > Trump’s campaign said it has accepted an invitation to meet on NBC News on September 25, but the Harris campaign has yet to accept such an invitation. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1450 "2024-09-12T00:43:24Z")
That sounds a lot like the first _Back to the Future_, when Biff is about to fight Marty in the school cafeteria, but sees the principal, and says, “since you’re new here, I’m gonna let you off with a warning.” Except, of course, no one would ever consider Marty to be “hulking.” ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1451 "2024-09-12T00:47:16Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Kamala Harris claimed Trump called neo-N\*zi’s “very fine people.” This hoax was debunked by Snopes but the ABC moderators let it slide. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Correct, Trump did not directly, completely say that Neo Naxis were “very fine people”. He merely said that of protestors and neo Nazis, there were “very fine people on both sides.” So Harris should have been more accurate, and claimed that Trump likes BOTH Protestors AND the Neo Nazis who murder them. So, you are piling on because she quoted “fine people on each side” instead of “both sides”. That seems awfully nit picky. The actual quote: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/UXwTnMQQau8/maxresdefault.jpg "Trump Fires Back After Harris Mentions ‘Very Fine People’ Charlottesville Comment During Debate") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXwTnMQQau8) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1452 "2024-09-12T00:47:22Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > That sounds a lot like the first _Back to the Future_, when Biff is about to fight Marty in the school cafeteria, but sees the principal, and says, “since you’re new here, I’m gonna let you off with a warning.” I think it’s a common trope, especially from movies in that era. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1453 "2024-09-12T00:52:38Z")
Trump says “No more Debates” on Fox News. Brian Tyler Cohen [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj-xY2hh9TA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj-xY2hh9TA) ---
**Author:** ![TeroSunbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terosunbear/32/14748_2.png) [@TeroSunbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeroSunbear)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1454 "2024-09-12T01:05:47Z")
China installed equal tariffs on American goods. Now the remainings tariffs are harder to remover. The tariffs on sheet metal were bad. We do not make every grade of sheet metal. They have to be imported for certain products. Now from Europe. The tariffs are not a solution. Name some Trump policy that is still of use. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1455 "2024-09-12T01:06:45Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Any one interested in some of the [quotes from the debate done as Simpsons characters](https://i.imgur.com/xHJ0ont.mp4)? > > > Kerry @Diamondmahoney ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1456 "2024-09-12T01:16:15Z")
An interesting debate analysis (limited gift link from _The Economist_). Includes most characteristic words by each candidate, variation in voice frequency (as a proxy for emotional arousal) summarizing “the debate in five charts”. Worth a look. [https://econ.st/3B27oGi](https://econ.st/3B27oGi) ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1457 "2024-09-12T01:20:21Z")
Thanks for the gift link ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1458 "2024-09-12T01:35:58Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > An interesting debate analysis (limited gift link from _The Economist_). Includes most characteristic words by each candidate, variation in voice frequency (as a proxy for emotional arousal) summarizing “the debate in five charts”. Worth a look. > > [https://econ.st/3B27oGi](https://econ.st/3B27oGi) > [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Thanks for the gift link So does only one person get to read an _Economist_ gift link? Because I see that it was just posted, and it already says “_ **Gift code expired** You’ve just missed out—this gift’s been used up._” If so, I would say that gift links from _The Economist_ are not of much use for a message board. They seem more suited to sharing an article with a single friend. No dig on you of course, @Dr_Paprika. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1459 "2024-09-12T01:37:50Z")
Sorry, I didn’t realize I was using up all the hot water. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1460 "2024-09-12T01:43:35Z")
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