# Trump and Harris agree to September 10th ABC debate - Watch Along Starts at Post 431 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump, kamala-harris\ **Created:** [August 8, 2024, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440 "2024-08-08T20:59:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 75
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1481 "2024-09-12T05:30:56Z")
“People on TV told me so!” ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1482 "2024-09-12T05:31:28Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > It’s a poll that Newsmax ran on their front page right after the debate. Newsmax motto: “So unhinged we make even Fox News look normal” . ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1483 "2024-09-12T05:32:31Z")
“Trump Leads Among People Who Say They Are Going to Vote For Trump” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1484 "2024-09-12T05:44:12Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Do you have a cite for this? So, then no, no cite. Okay, got it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1485 "2024-09-12T05:59:56Z")
Have you considered _not_ tossing nasty little rumors about like candy? If they are common then you aren’t adding anything, and if they aren’t common you are our source…and you don’t seem to have any details that we can look into. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1486 "2024-09-12T06:12:28Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > 1. A mandatory buy-back program for certain kinds of firearms (those whose sole purpose is killing large numbers of people in a short time) is NOT “confiscating firearms”. > So this claim of a Harris lie is bullshit. > > 2. Correct, Trump did not directly, completely say that Neo Naxis were “very fine people”. He merely said that of protestors and neo Nazis, there were “very fine people on both sides.” So Harris should have been more accurate, and claimed that Trump likes BOTH Protestors AND the Neo Nazis who murder them. > > 3. On Abortion; Trumps actual accusation was the Democrats are in favor of executing babies: “(The Democrat governor) said the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby,” Trump [said](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542). “In other words, we’ll execute the baby.” > This claim of Trumps was entirely bullshit, and he was called on it. > > 4. Taking police officers out of schools is not the same as “Defund the police”. Trumps claim that Harris said this is bullshit. > > 5. Everyone knows what Trump meant about his “bloodbath” comment. The auto-industry excuse was just a fig leaf; a post hoc rationalization. Trump is good at the dog-whistle, and everyone (including his supporters) knows it. > > That is all. Excellent points, thank you. I just want to add to point #4, where @Superdude also said “During a previous interview, Harris said having more cops on the street is ‘wrong’.” I don’t know what specific interview this was, but I know that when Harris has talked about this in the past, it was in the context of police budgets taking up a bigger and bigger piece of total municipal budgets, and that at some point money has to be spent on addressing the root causes of crime rather than just more policing and bigger prisons. So Trump’s claim that Harris wants to “defund the police” was every bit as outrageous a lie as all his other lies, like Haitian immigrants eating their neighbours’ cats and dogs. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1487 "2024-09-12T07:56:07Z")
This clip pretty much sums up the whole debate: > [@Kamala Harris and the runup to the 2024 Presidential Election](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election/1004571/1078): > > I’ve looked at several clips (won’t watch the whole thing), and from what I’ve seen, this might be the best three minutes. It shows how the tiny-brained orange man-child can be triggered to go off on an insane angry rant on even the slightest provocation, which pretty much characterized his behaviour through the rest of the debate – all debate prep about “be sure to sound calm and presidential” completely abandoned! 🤣 The only thing that would have made it more perfect is if the famous invisible accordion had come into play. But alas, apparently they had his left arm tied down to the podium. I enjoyed this, too … > **['Exposed as a fool': Ex-GOP strategist thinks Kamala Harris 'disqualified' Trump](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-harris-debate-2024-2669167385/)** > > Stuart Stevens, a former Republican strategist who left his party after its embrace of Donald Trump, doesn't merely think the former president had a bad debate night.Rather, he thinks that Trump had a debate so bad that it should disqualify him from... ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1488 "2024-09-12T08:03:02Z")
There was one exchange that really rubbed me the wrong way, and I haven’t heard anyone talking about. > [@](#): > > DAVID MUIR: Your time is up. Just to clarify the question, do you believe it’s in the U.S. best interests for Ukraine to win this war? Yes or no? > > FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I think it’s in the U.S. best interest to get this war finished and just get it done. All right. Negotiate a deal. Because we have to stop all of these human lives from being destroyed. I would have liked to see Harris jump on Trump’s phraseology. This is not some commercial loan he’s trying to arrange with a bank, where you quibble over the interest rate and payment schedule. Soldiers are marching across borders, and artillery is being fired. People are dying and others are becoming refugees. To say he’d “negotiate a deal” is to trivialize a lot of aggression, suffering, and death. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1489 "2024-09-12T08:41:45Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > To say he’d “negotiate a deal” is to trivialize a lot of aggression, suffering, and death. No, the salient point here is that Trump was asked a “yes or no” question, and refused to answer it. And he refused to answer it because the real answer is “no” – he does **not** want Ukraine to win this war, what he wants is to be Putin’s best buddy – his BFF. He also wants more love letters from Kim Jong Un. The problem in this case wasn’t the “negotiate a deal” phraseology. A normal person might have said “negotiate a truce” which may or may not be a reasonable position depending on what terms you’re advocating. The real problem is that Trump would let Ukraine get overrun and cease to exist as a nation. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1490 "2024-09-12T09:13:52Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > No, the salient point here is that Trump was asked a “yes or no” question, and refused to answer it. Fully agree. He tried to duck the question with his “I’d negotiate” response. I won’t guess at his motivations for his response (though I think there’s a lot to your guess), but it seemed to me that when he found himself trapped between a rock and a hard place—the Yes/No question posed by Muir—he fell back on the only weapon he had: he’d “negotiate” something. [Sarcasm on.] After all, he makes deals, great deals, the best deals; nobody’s ever seen anything like the deals he can negotiate. [Sarcasm off.] That might have worked for an answer back in 2016, and possibly even in 2020, but Americans have learned about him in that time. He’s not a great negotiator, and he has demonstrated many times that he admires authoritarians. A wishy-washy answer, like “I’d negotiate a deal,” in response to “Yes or No?” isn’t going to wash any more; not with Mr. Muir in the studio, and especially not with a lot of the American people. If I recall, Trump didn’t have a lot of time left for his response, but I kind of wished that Mr. Muir had followed up and pressed further. “Mr. Trump, what exactly would you negotiate?” And I’m pretty sure that Trump would have replied, “I’ll tell you, in two weeks.” ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1491 "2024-09-12T12:03:49Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > One of his campaign staffers said last night on CNN that Trump had already ‘accepted the invitation’ to the 9/25 debate on NBC, and they were waiting on Harris to respond. I don’t believe that NBC has ever announced this, and it’s something that Trump dreamed up a few weeks ago. How weird. Perhaps he’s had second thoughts after his ass-whupping. > [@dougrb](#): > > Trump says “No more Debates” on Fox News. Brian Tyler Cohen > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj-xY2hh9TA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj-xY2hh9TA) Curiouser and curiouser. It would seem rather pointless to have more. Trump will just rant about the same nonsense and Harris will look at him with pity. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1492 "2024-09-12T13:00:33Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Correct, Trump did not directly, completely say that Neo Naxis were “very fine people”. He merely said that of protestors and neo Nazis, there were “very fine people on both sides.” So Harris should have been more accurate, and claimed that Trump likes BOTH Protestors AND the Neo Nazis who murder them. There is nuance to this one. Trump was asked afterwards if “very fine people” included the neo-nazis and he said it did not. So, without mentioning that, it could be considered misleading to say “very fine people” includes the nazis. OTOH, it’s also misleading, as on right wing media to call it an outright lie. And I also disagree with [snopes](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/) simply calling it false. Trump had to be prompted twice to condemn the white supremacists. He clearly wanted to equivocate in the first instance and leave a statement like “very fine people” hanging out there. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1493 "2024-09-12T13:06:23Z")
That must be an incredibly sharp knife to split so microscopic a hair ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1494 "2024-09-12T13:07:18Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > a couple of major cities burned down, though apparently that didn’t make the news. My brother in Minnesota had to cancel his lunch plans after being reminded that Minneapolis had burned down. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1495 "2024-09-12T13:12:09Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > That must be an incredibly sharp knife to split so microscopic a hair ⁢ The problem is, if you don’t, then the MAGA people seem like they have a point. He did _eventually_ say it didn’t include the Nazis, and that’s their proof that the media has been lying. I remind them that we knew this at the time, yet none of them pretended it meant he didn’t say it. (and there’s a reason the Snopes article is from 2024, not from when he said it.) ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1496 "2024-09-12T13:18:32Z")
Seem like they have a point to who? People who are already inclined to believe them over their lying eyes? People who don’t believe them but like to make a show of aggrieved outrage to pwn the libs and claim media bias? Somewhere out there may exist such a group of well meaning but befuddled, under-informed people, perhaps in that land where where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1497 "2024-09-12T13:18:52Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > We spent way too much money in Ukraine for Trump to pull an Afghanistan. You spent way too much money in _Afghanistan_ for Trump to pull an Afghanistan, and yet, he did just that. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1498 "2024-09-12T13:26:44Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > Trump got angry, got rattled, said a few weird things. But I found him more coherent than expected. I’ve seen this said by a couple other posters in various threads, such as the ‘Is trump confused?’ thread, and I don’t get it. Coherent? OK, maybe if you’ve watched clips of his stream of consciousness crazy rambling at his rallies, by comparison, he was _relatively_ coherent. But let’s break this down. He started off alright. Sure, he barely attempted answering any of the actual questions, instead going right into his talking points about immigration or whatever, but that’s pretty par. Candidates answering the question they want to answer, instead of the actual moderator question, is a time-honored American Presidential debate tradition. Harris did a bit of her own answer dodging and weaving. But…he said a _ **few weird things** _?!? “Immigrants are eating our dogs and cats”. “Kamala wants to give sex change operations to illegal immigrants in prison”. “Some states are making it legal to kill babies after birth”. This is a freakin’ _candidate for President of the United States_. Those aren’t weird things to say, that’s batshit crazy. Maybe one can make the argument “saying crazy CT stuff is not the same as being incoherent”. But…I think there are different kinds of incoherence. There’s ‘rambling and losing the plot’ incoherence and there’s ‘shouting crazy things in a serious public debate forum where you should know better’ incoherence. Also, not to beat up on you, Dr\_Paprika, but it’s concerning to me that either trump’s wall of BS wearing us all down, or the media sane-washing of trump, seems to be so successful that even some Dopers here-- as smart, well-informed, and thoughtful a group as there’ve ever been in an online forum, can listen to trump’s performance in that debate, shrug their shoulders and say “eh, not _ **too** _ bad”. I watched [this clip in my YT feed of comedian Taylor Tomlinson talking about the debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0Xt5hY5-DY) and she said in reference to media sane-washing “Harris can say ‘I want to give every American $100’ and trump can say ‘I want to fill everybody’s house with locusts’ and the media will report ‘Candidates clash on their visions for America’s future’”. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1499 "2024-09-12T13:46:56Z")
> [@Kamala Harris and the runup to the 2024 Presidential Election](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election/1004571/1106): > > Two polls for Sep 10-11 from Right leaning sources show Harris up 3% overall. [Red Eagle Politics](https://substack.com/inbox/post/148756500) shows her up by 3% and that 53% to 34% say Harris won the debate. [The New York Post](https://nypost.com/2024/09/11/us-news/kamala-harris-opens-up-narrow-lead-over-donald-trump-post-philadelphia-debate/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost) ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440/1500 "2024-09-12T13:52:16Z")
> [@Balance](#): > > “Trump Leads Among People Who Say They Are Going to Vote For Trump” You laugh, but he was [essentially saying this in 2019](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/9/20856738/trump-94-percent-republican-approval-lie), when he kept bragging about how many Republican voters approved of him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440.md?page=74) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-harris-agree-to-september-10th-abc-debate-watch-along-starts-at-post-431/1005440.md?page=76)