# Trump and the right's immigration stances are pushing the left towards open borders. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 23, 2018, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-the-rights-immigration-stances-are-pushing-the-left-towards-open-borders/823407 "2018-10-23T23:16:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 126
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-the-rights-immigration-stances-are-pushing-the-left-towards-open-borders/823407/126 "2018-10-26T17:18:07Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Many people in this thread are saying that we should take them all and have open borders. > > The left has lost its mind on this issue. 14,000 people. That’s about the number of men used in Pickett’s Charge. It is an absolute invasion. To say that they can all just walk in this country is one of the main reasons that Trump got elected to stop. > > A country has a right to its own identity, its own borders, and its own internal security. This country has become the most prosperous in the world and the left is telling the vast majority of people in this country that there is something wrong with wanting to keep it that way. It is simply why there are countries in the first place. > > This screed of racism, racism, racism, is a well worn ploy of the left and is used to stifle debate on this issue as well as most others. The majority of people would not support 14,000 poor, uneducated, and illiterate white Canadians coming into this country to tax the social welfare system either. Racism is an absolute red herring. > > To the extent that we want to maintain our cultural identity and not have “press one for English” or have dual language signs in public places, there is not a damn thing wrong with that, and when the left keeps telling us that, we keep voting Republican. Y I K E S Just… Yikes. Everything about this post. Yikes. And of course it’s not racist - what would be racist about referring to 4,000 unarmed asylum seekers as an “invasion force”, complaining that we’re “losing our cultural identity” because of them, and insisting that we should _really care_ about having dual language signs in public places and having to press one for english. (By the way - go to _any_ country in Europe that doesn’t have english as a native language, and you will find plenty of people who you can talk to.) First of all, you’re off in your numbers by a factor of 3-4. Secondly, 3,000-4,000 (the 14,000 number is _wildly_ off)? On average, the USA has dealt with about 67,800 asylum applicants per year over the last 6 years (discounting 2018, as the numbers aren’t fully in yet). The number of people caught crossing the southern border illegally number in the tens of thousands _per month_. The comparison to Pickett’s charge is just… what? _What_?! We’re looking at a couple thousand people, about half of which are women and a non-trivial portion of which are children, who are unarmed and come in peace. They are on foot, they are _900 fucking miles away from the border_, and even assuming it doesn’t dwindle significantly (which it is expected to), the border patrol is more than capable of handling it, and people are unlikely to have much success sneaking in in such large numbers. Nobody in any position of power is advocating to just “let them march in”. I’m sure the imaginary leftist in your head is, but there’s just the slight problem that he’s _imaginary_. But even beyond that, you have this image in your head, one you make very clear throughout your posts. That these immigrants are, by and large, leeches on the system. That they won’t learn english. That they take more than they give. That the melting pot no longer works because of welfare. These concepts are just all kinds of wrong. And they feed into this narrative that paints these people as an other, as a danger, as an… “invasion force” (_wow_ I cannot say that with a straight face). Just one thing, buddy. You’re not racist? Okay, fine. But remember one thing for me. This is _exactly the argument a white nationalist would make if they were trying to hide the fact that they were a white nationalist_. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-the-rights-immigration-stances-are-pushing-the-left-towards-open-borders/823407)._