# Trump as actual motherfucking president **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 1, 2016, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331 "2016-10-01T02:07:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2016, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331/41 "2016-10-01T23:01:43Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > poopyhead I enjoy that discourse - it’s fun! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2016, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331/42 "2016-10-01T23:07:09Z")
Arizona is getting what it deserves for stupidly re-electing Arpaio and America will get what it deserves if it stupidly elects Trump. I realize this isn’t very helpful but seriously, get your fucking shit together already. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2016, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331/43 "2016-10-01T23:11:06Z")
Trump seems to be like Big Brother, can switch from declaring someone an enemy and then that enemy is the ‘beesknees’ [Donald Trump praises Angela Merkel, months after saying she is ‘ruining’ Germany](https://thinkprogress.org/trump-merkel-aaf93930ec5a#.g0g0qqbo3) As I said in another thread, Don the Con is a conman, and he is conning his followers too. Well, either a con or he **is** that forgetful or deluded. He is likely to forget who he is supposed to praise for good acts or to discourage a world leader from doing bad stuff at the world stage. [Wars have started from misunderstandings like that.](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/01/22/first-gulf-wars-mistakes-explain-us-presence-in-iraq.html) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2016, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331/44 "2016-10-01T23:18:45Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Will you, someday, ever explain your idiot statements? I’ve tried to actually engage **Clothahump** many times, but he doesn’t ever seem actually interested in discussions. Just rants and one-liners. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2016, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331/45 "2016-10-01T23:21:41Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Arizona is getting what it deserves for stupidly re-electing Arpaio and America will get what it deserves if it stupidly elects Trump. > > I realize this isn’t very helpful but seriously, get your fucking shit together already. Actually Arpaio can be controlled if America does elect Clinton. No such luck if Trump is. Heck, he may pardon the guy. As for Arizona deserving it, Arpaio barely won last time, currently he has had bad news in the polls against his current oponent in the coming election. > **[This is finally the year we can dump Sheriff Joe Arpaio, so let's help the...](https://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/9/19/1570751/-This-is-finally-the-year-we-can-dump-Sheriff-Joe-Arpaio-so-let-s-help-the-guy-who-can-beat-him)** > > Sheriff Joe Arpaio. You know the name. He’s the top cop in Maricopa County, Arizona’s largest county and home to the city of Phoenix. He’s also one of the worst civil rights abusers in the whole country, with a resume of cruelty literally decades... ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2016, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331/46 "2016-10-01T23:22:47Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well, either a con or he **is** that forgetful or deluded. He is likely to forget who he is supposed to praise for good acts or to discourage a world leader from doing bad stuff at the world stage. I seriously think that he does not remember what he says day-to-day, much less a few months ago. It’s not an act, or a strategy… he genuinely cannot remember things. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331/47 "2016-10-01T23:24:51Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > \ > As I said in another thread, Don the Con is a conman, and he is conning his followers too. > > Well, either a con or he **is** that forgetful or deluded. He is likely to forget who he is supposed to praise for good acts or to discourage a world leader from doing bad stuff at the world stage. [Wars have started from misunderstandings like that.](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/01/22/first-gulf-wars-mistakes-explain-us-presence-in-iraq.html) I’m firmly convinced at this point that Donald Trump honestly doesn’t care what comes out of his mouth. He might believe it, he might not, he might have a reason for saying it, he might not. It’s all part of his particular pathology. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2016, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331/48 "2016-10-01T23:47:50Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > …he genuinely cannot remember things. Other than perceived slights that he morphs into random, butt-brained invective. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2016, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331/49 "2016-10-02T00:09:25Z")
I think my favourite passage from the article: "When Trump was asked, in March, to name the person he consulted most often on foreign policy, he said, ‘I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things.’” That, is fucking golden. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2016, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331/50 "2016-10-02T00:45:40Z")
He’s truthiness with money. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2016, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331/51 "2016-10-02T01:22:19Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Actually Arpaio can be controlled if America does elect Clinton. No such luck if Trump is. Heck, he may pardon the guy. As for Arizona deserving it, Arpaio barely won last time, currently he has had bad news in the polls against his current oponent in the coming election. > > [This is finally the year we can dump Sheriff Joe Arpaio, so let's help the guy who can beat him](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/9/19/1570751/-This-is-finally-the-year-we-can-dump-Sheriff-Joe-Arpaio-so-let-s-help-the-guy-who-can-beat-him) Pardon? Trump would quite likely make him the head of Homeland Security (if not Attorney General). ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2016, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331/52 "2016-10-02T05:28:03Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Already dealt with, and this makes you look more foolish. Huh? You said > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been doing a lot of what Trump dreams to do to America, with the nasty result being that his authoritarianism has cost the state close to 50 millions dollars in court costs and defense attorneys. > > Mostly paid by the taxpayers of Arizona. Besides the costs for local business due to lost revenue and several not coming to Arizona because of the racial profiling and laws that affect minorities. (It is better now because the federal government did limit the new laws and the reach of the sheriff) those court costs are one big reason why other areas, like investigating rapes, have suffered because of the priorities that many people that vote for the likes of Arpaio like to see. "…those court costs are one big reason why other areas, like investing rapes, have suffered.'. It isn’t, and hasn’t been a factor. - It’s a small nit to pick but you routinely respond to questions about your facts and figures with ad hominems and obfuscation. It’s irritating and counter-productive, yet you persist. By the way, what were you referring to when you initially said thirty million dollars in the post that brought me in? I haven’t heard a mention of it since. Where and what was that number referring to? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2016, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331/53 "2016-10-02T05:52:17Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > By the way, what were you referring to when you initially said thirty million dollars in the post that brought me in? Thirty million? Do you mean **GIGObuster** ’s reference to **fifty** million dollars? > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been doing a lot of what Trump dreams to do to America, with the nasty result being that his authoritarianism has cost the state close to 50 millions dollars in court costs and defense attorneys. Actually, the latest figures seem to put it at [51 million](http://www.azcentral.com/story/laurieroberts/2015/05/19/arpaio-racial-profiling-case-expense/27587559/): > [@](#): > > […] the county’s 2016 budget, approved Monday, includes $23.8 million for costs associated with complying with U.S. District Court Judge Murray Snow’s orders in the Melendres case. > > This, on top of nearly $21 million that will have been spent on compliance by June 30. > > Add in legal fees and Lemons pegs the total cost of this fiasco at $51 million. That’s actually over 2% of the Maricopa County annual budget, not 0.28%. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2016, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331/54 "2016-10-02T05:53:06Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Huh? > > You said > > "…those court costs are one big reason why other areas, like investing rapes, have suffered.'. > > It isn’t, and hasn’t been a factor. And as I pointed out, I can see that it is not important for the overall point. > [@HeweyLogan](#): > > - It’s a small nit to pick but you routinely respond to questions about your facts and figures with ad hominems and obfuscation. It’s irritating and counter-productive, yet you persist. Funny, it looks here that you are the one doing it. > [@HeweyLogan](#): > > By the way, what were you referring to when you initially said thirty million dollars in the post that brought me in? I haven’t heard a mention of it since. Where and what was that number referring to? My mistake… it was really much worse than that. > **[Roberts: Joe Arpaio just cost you another $4.5 million](https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2016/09/21/roberts-arpaio-just-cost-you-another-45-million/90786276/)** > > Laurie Roberts: Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s feats of daring in federal court are prompting yet another reach into your pocket. > [@](#): > > Hold onto your wallets. Looks like Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s feats of daring in federal court are prompting yet another reach into your pocket. > > The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors on Wednesday approved another nearly $4.5 million in legal fees as a result of Arpaio’s contempt of court. > > The fees will go to the attorneys who brought the racial profiling case and have had to continue their work long after winning, due to Arpaio’s refusal to follow court orders. > [@](#): > > **In all, we’ve now spent more than $48 million on this case.** County officials earlier estimated the case would ultimately cost us $54 million. **According to the Associated Press, they’ve now boosted that to $72 million** , given the recent punishments meted out and additional reforms required as a result of Judge Murray Snow’s finding that Arpaio and several top deputies were in contempt for blowing off his orders. > \*\* > Since Arpaio first took office in 1993, his office has cost us $142 million in legal fees, settlements and court awards. > \*\* > And now, apparently, another $4.5 million, circling the drain. > > Something to remember as you watch Arpaio’s campaign ads, explaining how he’s saved the county money. As the main point was about Trump, the point stands, Trump already knows what he was getting by allowing Arpaio to join him to the hip. It is not only his contempt of the law and the courts, but that Trumps also loves how Arpaio continues to attempt to go against federal laws, costs be dammed. Since Arpaio first took office in 1993, his office has cost us $142 million in legal fees, settlements and court awards. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2016, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331/55 "2016-10-02T06:48:28Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > …Trumps also loves how Arpaio continues to attempt to go against federal laws, costs be dammed. Once again you’re completely misinterpreting and misleading with the facts. Fuck man! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2016, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331/56 "2016-10-02T07:20:42Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Once again you’re completely misinterpreting and misleading with the facts. > > Fuck man! As I said, I was wrong about that number, the cost and money wasted to keep defending this clown was much worse. Deal with it, or don’t as it is clear that that is your modus operandi. BTW please notice that the hangup that you have does not debunk the main point. And there is another coming from the recent news, Trump like Arpaio also loves to have the people to pay for all the costs of his mismanagements. Indeed, only the little people pay taxes as Leona Helmsley said. > **[New York Times publishes Trump's 1995 tax return showing $916M loss](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/times-publishes-trump-95-tax-return-documents-show-nearly-1b-n658051)** > > Tax experts hired by the New York Times said the loss could have allowed Trump to legally avoid paying any federal income taxes for up to 18 years. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2016, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331/57 "2016-10-02T08:17:34Z")
Well if it’s any consolation, I think there’s a reasonably good chance that Trump would get impeached in the first six months. Trump certainly doesn’t have many friends in the rest of the GOP, most of the endorsements of him have been tepid at best. Cruz sure would love to lead a charge to impeach him knowing that Pence would be a lot easier to work with, then he could run against Pence in 2020. Of course this is moot, because he’s going to get creamed on Nov 8th. (He has no GOTV or ground game). ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2016, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331/58 "2016-10-02T12:58:57Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Unless you’re an immigrant, or black, or a woman, or Muslim… …or any non-Christian, or LGBTQ, or a small-business-owner who expects to be paid for his/her work performed… ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2016, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331/59 "2016-10-02T15:02:35Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Trump seems to be like Big Brother, can switch from declaring someone an enemy and then that enemy is the ‘beesknees’ > > [Donald Trump praises Angela Merkel, months after saying she is ‘ruining’ Germany](https://thinkprogress.org/trump-merkel-aaf93930ec5a#.g0g0qqbo3) > > As I said in another thread, Don the Con is a conman, and he is conning his followers too. > > Well, either a con or he **is** that forgetful or deluded. He is likely to forget who he is supposed to praise for good acts or to discourage a world leader from doing bad stuff at the world stage. [Wars have started from misunderstandings like that.](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/01/22/first-gulf-wars-mistakes-explain-us-presence-in-iraq.html) I don’t think it’s a con, I think he’s proving the point that details like this _don’t matter_ to most voters. We all vote based on a narrative about who we are and who our candidates are, and Trump’s narrative is not about who the German chancelor is or whether or not he likes her. So saying one thing or another on a given day is really not that important. It has nothing to do with why a person might be planning to vote for Trump. Gary Johnson didn’t recognize Aleppo, and couldn’t pull out the name of a world leader he admired when put on the spot. So what? Everybody who already wasn’t going to vote for him say, “a ha! Look at how stupid he is. Now I’m really for sure not voting for him!” People who want to vote for him say, “well, does it really matter so much? It’s not as if not being able to recite those names on the fly means that he doesn’t know about Syria, or that if someone said ‘Angela Merkel’ he wouldn’t be able to tell you that she was chancelor of Germany.” People seem so sure that if they just reveal the detail that proves Trump is an idiot that all of a sudden his supporters won’t vote for him. They don’t care if Trump is an idiot, or a con man, or whatever. Germany? Who gives a fuck about it anyway? Oh, if only we can get his tax returns, it’ll change everybody’s mind! . . . not a chance. Though, they might be closer to his narrative in a way that the very small percentage of people who are waffling about him might decide against him, depending on the story he tells about his taxes. It should be obvious to us all at this point that the number of people who truly care about random, ancillary details about any candidate is really quite small (regardless of party btw). And, frankly, they don’t matter, as Trump is illustrating brilliantly. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2016, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331/60 "2016-10-02T15:06:21Z")
> [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > "When Trump was asked, in March, to name the person he consulted most often on foreign policy, he said, ‘I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things.’” > > That, is fucking golden. Golden, with just a subtle hint of three-day-old bowl ammonia. That’s Trump, alright… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-as-actual-motherfucking-president/767331.md?page=4)