# Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians, according to US officials **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 23, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799 "2017-03-23T00:28:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 150
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/2984 "2017-11-19T21:47:41Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > That’s not at all what I said. His dad started a real estate company, which put it’s name up on buildings. That Donald didn’t run the company into the ground does not make him a successful businessman and that the brand is now associated with the son of the successful founder doesn’t alter history. If Eric avoids jail, and is running the company in fifty years, he might become associated with the buildings, but it doesn’t mean he had anything to do with their success. > > My mom calls all photocopiers “Xerox” but it doesn’t change the fact that the one in my office was made by Brother. > > I think he’s smart enough to do what he does to orchestrate everything, including all of his supposed business successes, rely on the intelligence of others. Here’s what you said: > [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I would argue that he sells his dad’s name. His dad is the one that founded the Trump Organization. That’s Fred Trump’s name on those buildings. Donald just shares the same name by virtue of dynastic inheritance. You’re claiming that the “Trump” on “[Trump Tower](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Tower_(disambiguation))” is Fred Trump? > [@](#): > > Trump Tower is a mixed-use skyscraper located in Midtown Manhattan in New York City. > > Trump Tower or Trump Towers may also refer to: > > **Other buildings officially named “Trump Tower”** > Trump Tower (White Plains), New York, USA > Trump Tower Manila, Philippines > Trump Tower Punta del Este, Uruguay > Trump Towers Istanbul, Turkey > Trump Towers Pune, India > Trump Towers (Sunny Isles Beach), Florida, USA > Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago) > Trump International Hotel and Tower (Toronto), the former name of The Adelaide Hotel Toronto > Trump International Hotel and Tower (New York City) > Trump Ocean Club International Hotel and Tower, Panama City, Panama > > **Buildings commonly known as “Trump Tower”** > 40 Wall Street, also known as The Trump Building, a 70-story skyscraper in New York City > Trump World Tower, New York City, United States > Trump SoHo, hotel condominium in New York City > Trump Park Avenue, Manhattan > Trump Hotel Las Vegas, Las Vegas, Nevada > Trump Parc, New York City > Trump Parc Stamford, Stamford, Connecticut That’s actually kind of funny. But this is a hijack of the thread, so feel free to have the last word on this. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/2985 "2017-11-19T21:55:52Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > I still can’t believe anyone thinks Trump is smart enough to orchestrate an election rigged by foreign nationals. :dubious: Why would you believe that any American thinks such a thing? ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/2986 "2017-11-19T22:03:26Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Why would you believe that any American thinks such a thing? That’s what he is being accused of in this thread. Either directly or in-directly he’s linked to so-called “associates,” so that’s what it boils down to. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/2987 "2017-11-19T22:03:30Z")
Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich just happened to have docked his yacht in Palm Beach today ahead of Trump’s Mar a Lago visit. > **[Russian oligarch's yacht docks in Palm Beach ahead of Trump's expected arrival](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/russian-oligarchs-yacht-docks-in-palm-beach-ahead-of-trumps-expected-arrival)** > > The 500-plus foot yacht of Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich docked at the Port of Palm Beach Friday afternoon — days before President Trump is expected to head to his Mar-a-Lago estate for Thanksgiving. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/2988 "2017-11-19T22:04:24Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > I still can’t believe anyone thinks Trump is smart enough to orchestrate an election rigged by foreign nationals. :dubious: While grammatically correct, this isn’t a sentence. Elections are not things which are orchestrated. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/2989 "2017-11-19T22:06:31Z")
Sure are lots of tree people around here. You know - the ones who can’t see the forest for the trees. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/2990 "2017-11-19T22:07:26Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > That’s what he is being accused of in this thread. Quote such an accusation. You won’t be able to. > [@BeenJammin](#): > > Either directly or in-directly he’s linked to so-called “associates,” so that’s what it boils down to. Incorrect. That’s not what it boils down to. Your assignment may well be to push the idea ‘_Trump isn’t smart enough to have coordinated Russian interference, therefore no Russian interference can have taken place_’----but that’s a ludicrously illogical assertion. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/2991 "2017-11-19T22:08:42Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich just happened to have docked his yacht in Palm Beach today ahead of Trump’s Mar a Lago visit. > [http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/russian-oligarchs-yacht-docks-in-palm-beach-ahead-of-trumps-expected-arrival/article/2641166](http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/russian-oligarchs-yacht-docks-in-palm-beach-ahead-of-trumps-expected-arrival/article/2641166) Wow. Revelatory. :rolleyes: Will you be prognosticating on their upcoming discussions next? ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/2992 "2017-11-19T22:09:49Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > I still can’t believe anyone thinks Trump is smart enough to orchestrate an election rigged by foreign nationals. :dubious: Your posting style is very familiar. What was your previous name? ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/2993 "2017-11-19T22:10:57Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > ‘_Trump isn’t smart enough to have coordinated Russian interference, therefore no Russian interference can have taken place_’----but that’s a ludicrously illogical assertion. And not anything at all I asserted. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/2994 "2017-11-19T22:12:00Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Quote such an accusation. It’s the thread topic, you cretin! ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/2995 "2017-11-19T22:14:18Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > It’s the thread topic, you cretin! Cows coordinate with those who slaughter them. You’re reading your own belief into the words. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/2996 "2017-11-19T22:14:59Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > Your posting style is very familiar. What was your previous name? Mom used to call me hon. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/2997 "2017-11-19T22:16:25Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > You’re reading your own belief into the words. It’s not that much of a stretch. I’d love to know what it was you really think the OP had in mind if not that. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/2998 "2017-11-19T22:20:40Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > Mom used to call me hon. 🙂 What was your previous SDMB name? ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/2999 "2017-11-19T22:22:31Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > What was your previous SDMB name? And just exactly who the fuck are you? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/3000 "2017-11-19T22:23:56Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > It’s the thread topic, you cretin! The thread topic is “Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians, according to US officials”–not, as you claimed, that Trump “orchestrate[d] an election rigged by foreign nationals.” > [@BeenJammin](#): > > I still can’t believe anyone thinks Trump is smart enough to orchestrate an election rigged by foreign nationals. :dubious: Since your assertion that some unnamed persons “believe” that “Trump is smart enough to orchestrate…”, the natural question was: > [@Sherrerd](#): > > Why would you believe that any American thinks such a thing? And your reply was your assertion that someone in this thread had indeed claimed that “Trump is smart enough to orchestrate an election” etc., as we see here in your post: > [@BeenJammin](#): > > That’s what he is being accused of in this thread. Either directly or in-directly he’s linked to so-called “associates,” so that’s what it boils down to. So, again: link to quotations from this thread, in which someone, anyone, claims that “Trump is smart enough to orchestrate an election rigged by foreign nationals.” ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/3001 "2017-11-19T22:25:23Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > It’s not that much of a stretch. I’d love to know what it was you really think the OP had in mind if not that. While I don’t remember who the OP is and don’t feel like clicking back to the first page, I sincerely doubt that the OP intended to convey any intellect or organizational abilities on Trump or the people that he had working for him during the campaign. Do you recall anyone in this thread ever saying anything that indicates any belief in the intellect or organizational abilities of Trump or his people on the campaign trail? ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/3002 "2017-11-19T22:30:36Z")
In one massively disjointed multi-quote display of ineptitude, Sherrod has demonstrated 1) an inability to read between the lines, 2) presumption of what any American may or may not think, 3) a train of thought existing in his mind alone. Nice. I was starting to think maybe the rat wasn’t a tree person, but… ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/3003 "2017-11-19T23:06:39Z")
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