# Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians, according to US officials **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 23, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799 "2017-03-23T00:28:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/422 "2017-06-27T05:00:36Z")
> [@freewriterguy](#): > > Russia didn’t vote for Trump, I did. How do we know you aren’t Russian? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/423 "2017-06-27T10:41:41Z")
[The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jun/27/three-cnn-journalists-resign-over-retracted-trump-russia-story) are reporting that three journalists have resigned over CNN’s retracted story. Folks, Trump doesn’t need your help. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/424 "2017-06-27T12:53:51Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > [The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jun/27/three-cnn-journalists-resign-over-retracted-trump-russia-story) are reporting that three journalists have resigned over CNN’s retracted story. > > Folks, Trump doesn’t need your help. So CNN has fired three times more people for lying than the Trump White House has. Does anyone think that Trump and his team are three times more honest? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/425 "2017-06-27T13:10:51Z")
Two wrongs don’t make a right. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/426 "2017-06-27T13:22:22Z")
But when you do a wrong, make it right. Literally nobody defends bad journalism. But the difference between reputable journalists and the Trump White House is that when bad journalists lie, they overwhelmingly tend to be punished. That doesn’t happen in Trump’s world. I can’t believe this actually has to be explained. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/427 "2017-06-27T13:50:22Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > I can’t believe this actually has to be explained. It’s you who is drawing the false equivalence. Yes, Trump’s a liar. Yes, CNN has done well by requiring the resignations of these three. But they shouldn’t have been so eager in the first place. The press has a reputation of being anti-Trump, and episodes like this do not help. The press needs to be better than Trump. This should not be difficult. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/428 "2017-06-27T13:52:36Z")
CNN isn’t saying that story is wrong, just that it wasn’t properly vetted. So, bad journalistic practice, but it’s not known if it’s fake news. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/429 "2017-06-27T13:57:22Z")
Checks and balances are probably on ok thing. Fox might want to take note. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/430 "2017-06-27T15:04:12Z")
This is similar to the Dan Rather controversy. The content of the memo was unquestionably true, but the forensics were questionable. What CNN has reported could well be true, but the verification process was not up to journalistic standards. Luckily, there are still news organizations with journalistic standards, as opposed to Pravda- I mean Fox. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/431 "2017-06-27T15:35:36Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > It’s you who is drawing the false equivalence. Yes, Trump’s a liar. Yes, CNN has done well by requiring the resignations of these three. But they shouldn’t have been so eager in the first place. The press has a reputation of being anti-Trump, and episodes like this do not help. The press needs to be better than Trump. This should not be difficult. The press is better than Trump, by an utterly massive margin, even counting mistakes like this one. Trump’s mistakes (and lies) are much, much worse. But that shouldn’t be the standard. The press should be _good_, or even great, and if very often isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/432 "2017-06-27T15:44:31Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > It’s you who is drawing the false equivalence. Yes, Trump’s a liar. Yes, CNN has done well by requiring the resignations of these three. But they shouldn’t have been so eager in the first place. The press has a reputation of being anti-Trump, and episodes like this do not help. The press needs to be better than Trump. This should not be difficult. They are better than Trump. I think it is only folks in the Trump camp who go on and on about the speck in the media’s eye, ignoring the plank in their own. ---
**Author:** ![yorick73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/b5a626/32.png) [@yorick73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yorick73)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/433 "2017-06-27T16:39:49Z")
[Glenn Greenwald’s take on the recklessness of the media on the russian threat](https://theintercept.com/2017/06/27/cnn-journalists-resign-latest-example-of-media-recklessness-on-the-russia-threat/) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/434 "2017-06-27T16:43:54Z")
Mr. Greenwald has his moments. Regrettably, they are moments. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/435 "2017-06-28T23:15:51Z")
Great news! Paul Manafort registered…yesterday…as a foriegn agent who profitted…5 years ago from work for the political party in the Ukraine who’s leader has since fled to…yeah, you know it’s Russia. > **[Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort files as foreign agent for...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/former-trump-campaign-chairman-paul-manafort-files-as-foreign-agent-for-ukraine-work/2017/06/27/8322b6ac-5b7b-11e7-9fc6-c7ef4bc58d13_story.html)** > > New filings show consulting firm was paid more than $17 million over two years. Good to see his open honesty is not something that is bound by or beholden to something as philosophically slippery as the concept of time. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/436 "2017-06-28T23:43:16Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Great news! Paul Manafort registered…yesterday…as a foriegn agent who profitted…5 years ago from work for the political party in the Ukraine who’s leader has since fled to..yeah, you know it’s Russia. > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/former-trump-campaign-chairman-paul-manafort-files-as-foreign-agent-for-ukraine-work/2017/06/27/8322b6ac-5b7b-11e7-9fc6-c7ef4bc58d13\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/former-trump-campaign-chairman-paul-manafort-files-as-foreign-agent-for-ukraine-work/2017/06/27/8322b6ac-5b7b-11e7-9fc6-c7ef4bc58d13_story.html) > > Good to see his open honesty is not something that is bound by or beholden to something as philosophically slippery as the concept of time. When a witness is cooperating with the FBI, they like for him to go “[go back and clean up areas of noncompliance](http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/06/is_michael_flynn_cooperating_with_the_fbi.html)”. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/437 "2017-06-29T01:03:49Z")
Fun. Grassley and Graham are [demanding](https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2017-06-27%20CEG%20LOG%20to%20DOJ%20FBI%20(proposed%20and%20final%20FISA%20applications).pdf) FBI turn over all FISA applications related to Trump and his team. Also anything related to the infamous “dossier”, as in: “There have been subsequent media reports claiming the FBI submitted and received approval of a FISA application in the investigation that was based on the political opposition research dossier.” here’s the request: " In order for the Committee to asses this situation, please provide the following information by no later than July 11, 2017: ``` 1. Copies of all proposed and all final signed FISA applications submitted to the FISC relating to: Russian interference in the 2016 election; allegations of collusion between people associated with the Trump campaign and Russia; and any known Trump associates regardless of context. 2. Copies of all FISC responses to the above-mentioned applications in which the Court notified the FBI or Justice Department that it would not grant the proposed applications or recommended changes. If any such FISC responses were provided orally, rather than in writing, please provide copies of all FBI or Justice Department records memorializing or otherwise referencing the relevant FISC responses. 3. Copies of all FISC orders relating to the above-mentioned applications, whether denying the applications and certifications, denying the orders, modifying the orders, granting the orders, or other types of orders." ``` ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/438 "2017-06-29T01:20:15Z")
Claire McCaskill infamously tweeted when the Sessions thing was happening that **she** never met the Russian ambassador. Of course, it was immediately revealed that she tweeted about meeting the ambassador before, so that was a lie. Now we find out that not only he had met him but in 2015 she [attended a reception](http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/26/politics/mccaskill-russian-ambassador/index.html) at the Russian ambassador’s Washington residence. Not only that, but she paid $873 for that reception to the American-Russian Cultural Cooperation Foundation, from her charity foundation - Shepard Family Foundation and did not disclose it as she was required to. I wonder - was her memory faulty? I thought Senators are not allowed to have faulty memories… At least according to a lot of people on this thread discussing Sessions. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/439 "2017-06-29T01:51:13Z")
Where have you been? That’s so last week. Why do people think that one politician’s lying bears any relation to, let alone justification for, another’s? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/440 "2017-06-29T01:52:58Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Where have you been? That’s so last week. > > Why do people think that one politician’s lying bears any relation to, let alone justification for, another’s? I don’t think McCaskill was lying. She meets with literally thousands of people. So does Sessions. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/441 "2017-06-29T21:43:00Z")
> **[GOP Operative Sought Clinton Emails From Hackers, Implied a Connection to Flynn](https://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-operative-sought-clinton-emails-from-hackers-implied-a-connection-to-flynn-1498770851)** > > Peter W. Smith portrayed the former general as having been an ally in an effort, independent of the Trump campaign, to find personal emails deleted by Hillary Clinton. Boom [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799.md?page=23)