# Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians, according to US officials **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 23, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799 "2017-03-23T00:28:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 231
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4605 "2018-06-14T00:50:18Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I would expect that the reason that you would switch lawyers when flipping (which seems to be a given, based on the media reports around Gates) is that once you flip there’s really not a lot of hard lawyering necessary, so you may as well get some cheaper lawyers. > > If you’re flipping then the deal is pretty straightforward: Immunity and I talk. There’s no real haggling involved. That’s just the long and short of it. > > But if you’re offering to plead guilty in exchange for lenience, I feel like part of the negotiating tactic would be that you could still always force the Prosecutor take it to court and risk losing - which is best exemplified by keeping around a couple of strong lawyers during negotiation. And, of course, they’re going to do a better job of negotiating to begin with, since they’re better lawyers. > > Speculation, obviously. Didn’t he just have that high price firm look through 3 million docs? Maybe something in the docs? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4606 "2018-06-14T01:25:22Z")
More like what wasn’t there. That being a solid basis to declare that attorney/client privilege applies. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4607 "2018-06-14T01:39:35Z")
I assume the reason the firm that went through all his documents is no longer willing to represent him is that they saw what was in the documents and didn’t want him as a client any more. Why exactly is still speculation, given that lawyers in general are pretty good at advancing their cases despite their personal feelings about their clients, so I would imagine if they don’t want any more of his money, there must be some real serious shit there they don’t want to touch. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4608 "2018-06-14T01:54:03Z")
A link between Trump, Brexit, and Russia: > **[British political operatives were in contact with Russian ambassador while...](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/392188-british-political-operatives-in-contact-with-russian-ambassador-while/)** > > Two British political operatives were reportedly in contact with the Russian ambassador to the U.K. while they campaigned for and met with President Trump in 2016, CNN reported. Arron Banks and And… I’m reasonably willing to bet that this will tie through to Cambridge Analytica. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4609 "2018-06-14T12:41:39Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > If you’re flipping then the deal is pretty straightforward: Immunity and I talk. There’s no real haggling involved. That’s just the long and short of it. This is completely incorrect. Almost no one gets immunity in exchange for talking. (You have to be a real low level guy who committed minor crimes, and have some juicy info.) What does happen is that the prosecution can downgrade the charges, and/or recommend leniency. But there’s a lot of room for negotiation over exactly what it is that you get. Where you might be on to something is that apparently some lawyers specialize more in cases which go to trial and some specialize more in negotiating plea deals. But that doesn’t necessarily imply “flipping” as opposed to pleading. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4610 "2018-06-15T13:32:54Z")
Guessing Manafort will be in jail today based on [this](https://twitter.com/stevemullis/status/1007611511479652352) statement by Trump just now: “Manafort had nothing to do with our campaign.” His campaign manager. Had nothing to do with his campaign. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4611 "2018-06-15T14:10:15Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Guessing Manafort will be in jail today based on [this](https://twitter.com/stevemullis/status/1007611511479652352) statement by Trump just now: > > “Manafort had nothing to do with our campaign.” > > His campaign manager. Had nothing to do with his campaign. Sadly, far too many people will believe this. ---
**Author:** ![Celidin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Celidin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celidin)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4612 "2018-06-15T16:12:08Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Guessing Manafort will be in jail today based on [this](https://twitter.com/stevemullis/status/1007611511479652352) statement by Trump just now: > > “Manafort had nothing to do with our campaign.” > > His campaign manager. Had nothing to do with his campaign. Yup, Manafort’s going to jail: [Manafort ordered to jail after witness-tampering charges](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/manafort-ordered-to-jail-after-witness-tampering-charges/2018/06/15/ccc526cc-6e68-11e8-afd5-778aca903bbe_story.html?utm_term=.d60e72299bba) Wait. Let me rephrase. Manafort, Trump’s campaign chairman, his lifelong friend, his neighbor who lived one floor below in Trump Tower, is going to jail for witness tampering. America, meet Trump’s “Best People”. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4613 "2018-06-15T16:16:28Z")
Haw Haw! Lock him up! Ordinarily I’m not a fan of locking up non-violent criminals prior to trail, tethers are much more cost efficient. But when you try to tamper with witnesses, you’re using your freedom to commit more crimes. Lock him up! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4614 "2018-06-16T12:42:56Z")
Sadly, Manafort didn’t end up in the horrific Washington, DC jail: > [@](#): > > An inmate database showed that President Donald Trump’s former campaign chief was booked into the Northern Neck Regional Jail in Warsaw, Va., at 8:22 p.m. Jail records listed his housing unit as “VIP-1.” [Paul Manafort sent to Virginia jail after judge revokes bail](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/paul-manafort-headed-jail-after-witness-tampering-allegation-n883596) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4615 "2018-06-16T13:18:22Z")
Trump says his campaign manager had very little to do with his campaign. It’s like he isn’t even trying anymore. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4616 "2018-06-16T13:24:26Z")
You may write him here: Mailing Address for Inmate Correspondence: P.O. Box 1060 Warsaw, VA. 22572 And, if you’re interested in visiting the guy, his visitation day is on Friday, from 2:15 to 3:15. (I assume this is for general visitations - his lawyers probably have more rights to see him currently than his wife does.) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4617 "2018-06-16T13:28:57Z")
Make sure you smuggle in some razor blades for him (for slicing the garlic; melts in the pan). ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4618 "2018-06-16T17:50:09Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Sadly, Manafort didn’t end up in the horrific Washington, DC jail: [Paul Manafort sent to Virginia jail after judge revokes bail](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/paul-manafort-headed-jail-after-witness-tampering-allegation-n883596) > [@](#): > > An inmate database showed that President Donald Trump’s former campaign chief was booked into the Northern Neck Regional Jail in Warsaw, Va., at 8:22 p.m. Jail records listed his housing unit as "VIP-1. Maybe it stands for “Very Intense Prison.” ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4619 "2018-06-17T13:07:41Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Trump says his campaign manager had very little to do with his campaign. It’s like he isn’t even trying anymore. You _know_ his base will eat it up with a spoon. Next up: “Luckily I realized he was getting his marching orders from Hillary early on so I cut him out of the loop, but I didn’t fire him so’s he could spin enough rope to hang himself.” ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4620 "2018-06-18T20:05:26Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > This is completely incorrect. Almost no one gets immunity in exchange for talking. (You have to be a real low level guy who committed minor crimes, and have some juicy info.) What does happen is that the prosecution can downgrade the charges, and/or recommend leniency. But there’s a lot of room for negotiation over exactly what it is that you get. > > Where you might be on to something is that apparently some lawyers specialize more in cases which go to trial and some specialize more in negotiating plea deals. But that doesn’t necessarily imply “flipping” as opposed to pleading. Well then I was probably wrong. The “looking for a more sustainable budget” argument seems to be the most likely winner, as regards the Cohen firing his attorneys’ story goes. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4621 "2018-06-22T03:30:46Z")
ThinkProgress is reporting “Russians and the American right started plotting in 1995. We have the notes from the first meeting.” > **[Russians and the American right started plotting in 1995. We have the notes...](https://thinkprogress.org/history-of-christian-fundamentalists-in-russia-and-the-us-a6bdd326841d/)** > > New documents obtained by ThinkProgress show how Russian and American fundamentalists first began their collaboration. > [@](#): > > A series of interviews and never-before-seen documents, including testimonials and diaries obtained by ThinkProgress, sheds new light on how the relationship between the Religious Right and Russia first began, and how it led to several collaborative efforts in the years to come. > > In examining both the individuals and organizations involved, it’s evident that as the 2016 presidential election was heating up, those same Religious Right figures — some affiliated with groups that were reportedly funded by sanctioned Russian officials — went out of their way to defend the Russian regime. Now, with Trump in the White House, relations between Russia and American social conservatives have waned, but they’ve hardly disappeared. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4622 "2018-06-22T10:57:27Z")
1995, huh? Surely the Russians involved received helpful advice from the former Philip and Elizabeth Jenkins. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4623 "2018-06-22T16:00:08Z")
At my other board is a prominent conspiracy theorist who believes that a BIG REVEAL is coming between now and the midterms. This BIG REVEAL is something that Donald has spent bigly time and effort to uncover but the end result of his determined chess playing is a revelation that will either cement his status for as long as he likes or result in his impeachment before the end of his first term. The poster doesn’t know exactly what the BIG REVEAL is but he has his suspicions based on his careful study of Don’s character and strength and his knowledge of the deep corruption lurking in the bowels of the federal government for decades. The last 24 hours have been amusing ones on that board. I love Big Reveal Chat®. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4624 "2018-06-22T16:22:41Z")
Mueller could indeed come up with a Big Reveal before November that would result in Trump’s impeachment. You don’t have to be a CT’er to think so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799.md?page=230) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799.md?page=232)