# Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians, according to US officials **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 23, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799 "2017-03-23T00:28:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 241
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4805 "2018-07-19T14:36:44Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Did Obama tell his cyber security chief to stand down during the Russian cyber attacks on the month of the election? Clarity is needed. Why in the world would he do this? Yes, they asked Michael Daniel to stand down when he started pitching ideas to start a massive cyber war with Russia, in response to the detected election meddling. Does this have something to do with the topic of child prostitutes? Does the topic of child prostitutes in Russia somehow strike you as a conversation that needs to be avoided? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4806 "2018-07-19T15:02:41Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Did Obama tell his cyber security chief to stand down during the Russian cyber attacks on the month of the election? Clarity is needed. Why in the world would he do this? I actually [started a thread for replies like these](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=858713), even referencing you by name in the OP. Since this is a discussion regarding _current_ events, you may wish to put your alt-history responses in the correct discussion. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4807 "2018-07-19T15:21:05Z")
Owner of Bayrock, Tevfik Arif, was arrested for running a prostitution biz in Eastern Europe that included underage girls: > **[Donald Trump pal Tevfik Arif busted in Turkey for allegedly running hooker...](https://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/trump-pal-busted-allegedly-running-hooker-ring-yacht-article-1.191136)** > > Tevfik Arif, 57, has been detained in Turkey on suspicion of setting up trysts between wealthy businessmen and Eastern European models - some underage - aboard a $60 million yacht once used by the nation's founder, Mustafa Ataturk. Acquitted, but I don’t know that I trust that a rich dude in Turkey will always go to jail. ---
**Author:** ![Chip\_Dundas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5a626/32.png) [@Chip\_Dundas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chip_Dundas)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4808 "2018-07-19T15:52:34Z")
I aplologize if this has already been brought up but doesn’t Mexico interfere in our elections 1000 more times than Russia could ever dream of? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4809 "2018-07-19T15:57:27Z")
> [@Chip\_Dundas](#): > > I aplologize if this has already been brought up but doesn’t Mexico interfere in our elections 1000 more times than Russia could ever dream of? No, I am not aware of any state sponsored cyber attacks on our electoral system by Mexico. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4810 "2018-07-19T16:01:54Z")
> [@Chip\_Dundas](#): > > I aplologize if this has already been brought up but doesn’t Mexico interfere in our elections 1000 more times than Russia could ever dream of? No, they don’t. If you believe otherwise, feel free to present your evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4811 "2018-07-19T16:10:47Z")
> [@Chip\_Dundas](#): > > I aplologize if this has already been brought up but doesn’t Mexico interfere in our elections 1000 more times than Russia could ever dream of? Nope. Did that have some relevance to the question of child prostitution? An interesting number of “Look, it’s Superman!” style posts this morning. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4812 "2018-07-19T16:12:47Z")
> [@Chip\_Dundas](#): > > I aplologize if this has already been brought up but doesn’t Mexico interfere in our elections 1000 more times than Russia could ever dream of? No, the Mexican government only sends murderers and rapists. Those who only want to vote illegally don’t qualify. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4813 "2018-07-19T16:15:27Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > An interesting number of “Look, it’s Superman!” style posts this morning. Some dormant accounts suddenly came alive. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4814 "2018-07-19T16:18:02Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > No, they don’t. > > If you believe otherwise, feel free to present your evidence. This is a racist talking point that Tucker Carlson has taken to promoting. Mexican immigrants vote. The implication that their say detracts from the “true” (white) election results. Nice of **Chip** to out himself for us. ---
**Author:** ![Chip\_Dundas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5a626/32.png) [@Chip\_Dundas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chip_Dundas)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4815 "2018-07-19T16:19:59Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Some dormant accounts suddenly came alive. Sorry. I’ll let you people get back to your child prostitution conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4816 "2018-07-19T16:24:11Z")
> [@Chip\_Dundas](#): > > I aplologize if this has already been brought up but doesn’t Mexico interfere in our elections 1000 more times than Russia could ever dream of? No. Where did you get this idea? ---
**Author:** ![Chip\_Dundas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5a626/32.png) [@Chip\_Dundas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chip_Dundas)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4817 "2018-07-19T16:26:23Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > No, the Mexican government only sends murderers and rapists. Those who only want to vote illegally don’t qualify. Cyber attacks on our electoral system = using bots on twitter. LOL, every country does that. Are you silly enough to think that “cyber attacks on our electoral system” = Russian hackers hacked voting machines (which are not connected to the internet) and changed voting results? I certainly hope not. With that said, of countries that influence our elections, Russia is most likely not even in the top 30. But if you want to get tough with Russia, go sign up for the military, because the elites desperately want a war with Putin for geo-political reasons that are too advanced for this board at this time. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4818 "2018-07-19T16:29:41Z")
One of Bayrock’s other partners, and investor in Trump SoHo, was the Eurasia Group, run by Alexander Mashkevich. Mashy was one of the participating men in the yacht when Arif was arrested with the underage girls. > **[The Curious World of Donald Trump’s Private Russian Connections - The...](https://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/12/19/the-curious-world-of-donald-trumps-private-russian-connections/)** > > Did the American people really know they were putting such a “well-connected” guy in the White House? > **[Russian billionaire to found 'Jewish Al-Jazeera'](http://jtf.org/forum/index.php?topic=54593.0)** > > Russian billionaire to found 'Jewish Al-Jazeera' I feel like if I keep Googling, I’ll find another half dozen pedophiles among Trump’s business partners because, like, this isn’t hard to find new people yet. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4819 "2018-07-19T16:34:06Z")
Chip is a guy so smart he forgets to pay his rent. Pay him little mind. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4820 "2018-07-19T16:38:56Z")
> [@Chip\_Dundas](#): > > Cyber attacks on our electoral system = using bots on twitter. LOL, every country does that. > > Are you silly enough to think that “cyber attacks on our electoral system” = Russian hackers hacked voting machines (which are not connected to the internet) and changed voting results? I certainly hope not. > > With that said, of countries that influence our elections, Russia is most likely not even in the top 30. But if you want to get tough with Russia, go sign up for the military, because the elites desperately want a war with Putin for geo-political reasons that are too advanced for this board at this time. You need to do better than this, comrade. The Americans are on to this stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Chip\_Dundas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5a626/32.png) [@Chip\_Dundas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chip_Dundas)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4821 "2018-07-19T16:40:58Z")
I’m only two months behind, John, and it’s not because I forgot. Sorry for hijacking Sages child porn thread. I’ll step away. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4822 "2018-07-19T16:46:41Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Do you have any evidence that he did? Present that, and then we’ll talk. Yes. There is a lot on the web saying Obama told his chief cyber security person to stand down during Russia hack attempts. Yikes! Why would Obama do this? > **[Obama’s cybersecurity coordinator confirms Susan Rice ordered him to ‘stand...](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/852579/obamas-cybersecurity-coordinator-confirms-susan-rice-ordered-him-to-stand-down-on-russian-meddling/)** > > Michael Daniel confirmed Wednesday that former national security adviser Susan Rice ordered him and his staff to "stand down" in 2016 in regard to Russian attempts to meddle in the 2016 election. Daniel, special assistant to former President Barack... > **[Obama cyber chief confirms 'stand down' order against Russian cyberattacks in...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-cyber-chief-confirms-stand-order-russian-cyberattacks-summer-2016-204935758.html)** > > Michael Daniel, Obama White House’s chief cyber official testified that proposals he was developing to counter Russia’s attack on the U.S. presidential election were put on a “back burner” after he was ordered to “stand down” his efforts in the... [https://hotair.com/archives/2018/06/21/obama-cyber-chief-youd-better-believe-ordered-stand-russia/](https://hotair.com/archives/2018/06/21/obama-cyber-chief-youd-better-believe-ordered-stand-russia/) ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4823 "2018-07-19T16:57:23Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Yes. There is a lot on the web saying Obama told his chief cyber security person to stand down during Russia hack attempts. Yikes! Funny how that order happened a couple weeks after Mitch McConnell decided to oppose Obama responding to the attacks… shame that Obama wanted the issue of getting back at Russia to have bipartisan support. Good thing Trump ordered the NSA to respond to Russian attacks! > **[US cyber chief says Trump hasn’t told him to confront Russian cyber threat |...](https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/27/politics/cybercom-rogers-trump-russian-cyber-threat/index.html)** > > US Cyber Command chief Adm. Mike Rogers told lawmakers on Tuesday that he has not been granted the authority by President Donald Trump to disrupt Russian election hacking operations where they originate. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/4824 "2018-07-19T17:00:15Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Yes. There is a lot on the web saying Obama told his chief cyber security person to stand down during Russia hack attempts. Yikes! > > Why would Obama do this? > [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/obamas-cybersecurity-coordinator-confirms-susan-rice-ordered-stand-down-russian-meddling-2016-election](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/obamas-cybersecurity-coordinator-confirms-susan-rice-ordered-stand-down-russian-meddling-2016-election) > > [Obama cyber chief confirms 'stand down' order against Russian cyberattacks in summer 2016](https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-cyber-chief-confirms-stand-order-russian-cyberattacks-summer-2016-204935758.html) > > [https://hotair.com/archives/2018/06/21/obama-cyber-chief-youd-better-believe-ordered-stand-russia/](https://hotair.com/archives/2018/06/21/obama-cyber-chief-youd-better-believe-ordered-stand-russia/) All three of your links appear to reference the same primary source. Why didn’t you just cite that instead? Also, what, precisely, is the argument you are trying to make here? It seems that you are arguing that Trump need only act on the basis of what his predecessor did or didn’t do. Is that correct? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799.md?page=240) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799.md?page=242)