# Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians, according to US officials **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 23, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799 "2017-03-23T00:28:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/783 "2017-07-11T20:29:36Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I’m pretty sure that was Republicans who didn’t want Trump to get the nomination. Too slow to edit: According to Wiki, Republicans got it rolling, and Democrats picked it up after the Primary. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald\_Trump%E2%80%93Russia\_dossier](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier) ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/784 "2017-07-11T20:45:10Z")
The funniest part of this whole thing is how the Trumpies documented everything with their stupid tweets. Dumbest. Crime Family. Ever. Remember all the Trump rallies with the “USA USA USA” chants? Mueller. Mueller. Mueller. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/785 "2017-07-11T21:08:04Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > This may be best suited for another thread, but my assumption was that a good share of Trump’s strongest supporters were likely to be - uh - not exactly friends of Russia. Because I’m wondering whether these apparent contacts will ever affect their support (or whether ANYTHING will.) > > Or do they respect Putin as a strongman who gets things done? \ We have always been friends with Russia \ ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/786 "2017-07-11T21:11:29Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Just like Hillary would have done if she got anything like that on RNC. All the protestations to the contrary on this thread notwithstanding. And now we’re back to “Hillary would have done it too!”. That was yesterday. You have spun so much you went completely around and did a 360. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/787 "2017-07-11T21:15:33Z")
First it’s “NEVER HAPPENED! FAKE NEWS!” Then it’s “HAPPENED BUT IT’S NO BIG DEAL! FAKE NEWS!” Then it’s “OKAY IT HAPPENED AND IT’S NOT GREAT BUT HILLARY DID/WOULD DO IT TOO! FAKE NEWS!” What’s the next iteration? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/788 "2017-07-11T21:17:24Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > And now we’re back to “Hillary would have done it too!”. That was yesterday. You have spun so much you went completely around and did a 360. “Tu quoque: for some people, it is a logical fallacy. For others, a way of life.” ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/789 "2017-07-11T21:19:40Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > “Tu quoque: for some people, it is a logical fallacy. For others, a way of life.” It makes sense, justifying ones own baseline behavior by the worst examples that they can imagine of their opponents. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/790 "2017-07-11T21:21:44Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > First it’s “NEVER HAPPENED! FAKE NEWS!” > > Then it’s “HAPPENED BUT IT’S NO BIG DEAL! FAKE NEWS!” > > Then it’s “OKAY IT HAPPENED AND IT’S NOT GREAT BUT HILLARY DID/WOULD DO IT TOO! FAKE NEWS!” > > What’s the next iteration? “These are not the droids you’re looking for.” ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/791 "2017-07-11T21:22:19Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Remember all the Trump rallies with the “USA USA USA” chants? > > Mueller. Mueller. Mueller. Ben Stein really knows how to work a crowd. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/792 "2017-07-11T21:27:02Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > “Tu quoque: for some people, it is a logical fallacy. For others, a way of life.” I thought Tu quoque was defending your actions by pointing to similar actions done by others. What is it when you defend your actions by pointing to \*\*_hypothetical_ \*\*similar actions done by others? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/793 "2017-07-11T21:34:05Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I thought Tu quoque was defending your actions by pointing to similar actions done by others. What is it when you defend your actions by pointing to \*\*_hypothetical_ \*\*similar actions done by others? “Tu quoque assumo” ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/794 "2017-07-11T21:37:27Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > First it’s “NEVER HAPPENED! FAKE NEWS!” > > Then it’s “HAPPENED BUT IT’S NO BIG DEAL! FAKE NEWS!” > > Then it’s “OKAY IT HAPPENED AND IT’S NOT GREAT BUT HILLARY DID/WOULD DO IT TOO! FAKE NEWS!” > > What’s the next iteration? The Five Stages of Trumpism 1. “It’s a total lie, never happened, fake news.” 2. “It happened, but it’s not a big deal.” 3. “OK it might be a big deal, but it isn’t illegal.” 4. “OK it’s illegal, but Hillary and Obama something something, so it’s OK.” 5. “Get over it, libturd, you’re just a sore loser.” ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/795 "2017-07-11T21:41:12Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I thought Tu quoque was defending your actions by pointing to similar actions done by others. What is it when you defend your actions by pointing to \*\*_hypothetical_ \*\*similar actions done by others? To quack? :ducks and runs: ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/796 "2017-07-11T21:41:31Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > The Five Stages of Trumpism > > 1. “It’s a total lie, never happened, fake news.” > > 2. “It happened, but it’s not a big deal.” > > 3. “OK it might be a big deal, but it isn’t illegal.” > > 4. “OK it’s illegal, but Hillary and Obama something something, so it’s OK.” > > 5. “Get over it, libturd, you’re just a sore loser.” From the opposite side of the Atlantic: “I never heard of this lawyer.” “Okay, maybe I did hear of this lawyer. It’s hard to keep track of everyone who works for the Kremlin.” ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/797 "2017-07-11T21:45:44Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > The Five Stages of Trumpism > > 1. “It’s a total lie, never happened, fake news.” > > 2. “It happened, but it’s not a big deal.” > > 3. “OK it might be a big deal, but it isn’t illegal.” > > 4. “OK it’s illegal, but Hillary and Obama something something, so it’s OK.” > > 5. “Get over it, libturd, you’re just a sore loser.” 1. Nothing comes of it. Dems lose more legislative seats. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/798 "2017-07-11T21:47:11Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > And now we’re back to “Hillary would have done it too!”. That was yesterday. You have spun so much you went completely around and did a 360. Actually we’re at [Hillary DID do it,](http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/media/341493-opinion-forget-don-jrs-email-its-hillary-clinton-who-colluded-with) ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/799 "2017-07-11T21:56:39Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Actually we’re at [Hillary DID do it,](http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/media/341493-opinion-forget-don-jrs-email-its-hillary-clinton-who-colluded-with) Ooo, an opinion piece from Kayleigh McNany. Seems legit. Isn’t she the “journalist” who endorsed Donald Trump for president, and accused Barack Obama of shirking his duties as president after Daniel Pearl was beheaded in 2002? Hey, the Republicans have had Congress for many years now. Why don’t they start an investigation of Hillary Clinton? ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/800 "2017-07-11T21:57:30Z")
What do you all make of Trump Sr.'s [statement](http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/president-trump-on-donald-jrs-emails-i-applaud-his-transparency/article/2628305) regarding Trump Jr.? > [@](#): > > “My son is a high-quality person and I applaud his transparency,” Trump said in a statement read by Sarah Sanders, White House deputy press secretary. > > Sanders declined to answer questions about the emails, which suggested Trump Jr. accepted a meeting with a Kremlin-linked attorney who he believed possessed “sensitive” information about Hillary Clinton. > > “I know you guys are going to get tired of it today,” Sanders told reporters at the White House. “On all questions related to this, I would refer you to Don Jr.'s counsel.” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/801 "2017-07-11T21:59:25Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Actually we’re at [Hillary DID do it,](http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/media/341493-opinion-forget-don-jrs-email-its-hillary-clinton-who-colluded-with) Thank you for this OPINION piece. I knew it was an OPINION piece because that’s what it says at the beginning; “OPINION”. I did have a laugh at the part that said: “As the Times stories about Donald Trump Jr. emerged, Trump Jr. and those involved opted for transparency every step of the way” Seriously. It said that. With a straight face, I presume. I’m sure you have followed how Trump Jr.'s story has changed each day, as more details have come out. Transparency? Right. “Transparency” is the talking point of the hour, straight out of Trump’s press room. I then enjoyed the author’s OPINION on the nefarious deeds of the Clintons; Bill gave a speech once in Russia, for which he was paid. Hillary gave approval for a sale of 20% Uranium to Russia. [(A false claim, by the way. A lie.)](http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/) I hope you are embarrassed by posting this link. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2017, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/802 "2017-07-11T22:08:38Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > What do you all make of Trump Sr.'s [statement](http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/president-trump-on-donald-jrs-emails-i-applaud-his-transparency/article/2628305) regarding Trump Jr.? Is he talking about web graphics? “…a high-quality .png and I applaud its transparency.” But yeh, transparency? Not so much when the NYT was going to release them anyway. Old, lame, ‘save face’ tactic to release your own incriminating evidence before the press does. Sure, tell/show the truth after you’ve lied numerous times, and it’s inevitable it’ll come out no matter what you do. It’s just another lie in its own way. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799.md?page=41)