# Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians, according to US officials **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 23, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799 "2017-03-23T00:28:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/81 "2017-03-28T15:53:38Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Are you familiar with the programs Cyberscrub and CC Cleaner? If so, do you have an opinion of their usefulness? I ask because I have used both, and Cyberscrub is expensive and slow, and CC Cleaner is faster and free. Is my free program doing the same thing as my expensive program? I’m not familiar with Cyberscrub. I’m a little familiar with CCleaner. It depends on what you’re trying to accomplish. If your goal is to make it harder for websites to track you or to prevent other people in your house from seeing your browsing activity, these tools will probably fit the bill. If you’re trying to protect yourself from a thorough forensic examination, they may not do the trick. If you want to delete a few specific files where you’re keeping notes on your plan for world domination, you have to be aware of the limitations of the tool. With CCleaner secure file delete, for example, the fact that you used CCleaner is readily apparent because it changes the file name to a sring of Zs, like ZZZZZZZZ.ZZZ. And while CCleaner will find and overwrite the clusters currently in use by the file, it won’t necessarily be able to find clusters previously used by the file, clusters used by temporary files generated when the file was edited, etc. Also, at least some references to the file will often be left in the registry or other places. These are things that could be found by a forensic exam but not by your roommate. So, do you not want your wife to know you like legal, but non-mainsteam porn? Something like CCleaner will probably be enough. Are you tying to hide your illegal porn from the FBI? Not gonna do the trick. If you are tying to hide data from the law or from an opposing party in a civil suit, wiping may not be a good idea, though. IANAL, but as I understand it, some courts have held that data that has been wiped deliberately can be presumed to have been disadvantageous to the party that wiped it. I have a cite for that somewhere on my PC, but not on my phone. I’ll try to dig it up when I’m back at a real computer, unless a passing lawyer can chime in first. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/82 "2017-03-28T16:01:10Z")
Hey thanks for the reply- sorry for the hijack. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/83 "2017-03-28T16:01:56Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > [It’s not that simple with flash memory](http://www.infoworld.com/article/2623513/flash-storage/flash-based-solid-state-drives-nearly-impossible-to-erase.html) (as opposed to magnetic memory) devices. Because flash memory wears out after too many writes (on the order of tens/hundreds of thousands), flash memory devices are designed with “wear leveling”, so that the specific blocks of memory used for an operation are assigned at a level below the operating system. Thus, the usual “overwrite” operation doesn’t necessarily overwrite the addresses where the data to be deleted is stored. Yeah, true enough. I think the NIST document calls out some of that. It depends on the type of device and how you’re issuing the write instructions. That article was from 2011, and I think more recent wiping tools do a better job of handling SSDs. Ultimately you have to verify your technique by doing something like viewing the subject media with a forensic tool (there are good free ones) to see what’s still recoverable. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/84 "2017-03-28T17:54:21Z")
> [@ZebraShaSha](#): > > …Now Jared just so happens to be cooperating with the investigation, … Cooperating _after he was found out_. (Is the word for that still “cooperating”?) > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > ``` > ... Trump used to spout off about how Putin was a "better leader" than Obama. The alt-right loves him because he's a nationalistic authoritarian that knows how to keep the liberals in check, what's not to love!!!! Plus the country has a lot of income inequality - Putin's friends own EVERYTHING!! The liberal hate that so we must LOVE it.... > > ``` Not forgetting the white supremacy: the alt-right loves them some white Christian Russia. ETA–okay, you _did_ say ‘nationalistic,’ but it’s still worth highlighting the whiteness of it all. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/85 "2017-03-28T18:27:12Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Does that break some law? It seems that Trump may have broke a law when he deleted tweets. The law doesn’t apply to Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/86 "2017-03-28T18:29:12Z")
When you are aware of an ongoing investigation that is somewhat close to you… and when you’re a close adviser to the president… isn’t there some requirement that obligates you to maintain all electronic records? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/87 "2017-03-28T18:39:16Z")
Does it matter? I am going to guess that those tweets are still somewhere on a server, maybe even online. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/88 "2017-03-28T18:41:02Z")
Nope, gone. Sunspots. Cosmic rays. Hillary! Anyway, gone. And if someone says they got 'em, that’s fake news. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/89 "2017-03-28T18:49:01Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > Does it matter? I am going to guess that those tweets are still somewhere on a server, maybe even online. Definitely. Kushner’s a little dumbshit. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/90 "2017-03-28T20:36:55Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > When you are aware of an ongoing investigation that is somewhat close to you… and when you’re a close adviser to the president… isn’t there some requirement that obligates you to maintain all electronic records? Well, there is [this](https://apnews.com/23cca28e11b74f0cb369fda6fac64d67)… > [@](#): > > White House lawyers have instructed the president’s aides to preserve materials that could be connected to Russian interference in the 2016 election and other related investigations, three administration officials said Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2017, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/91 "2017-03-28T21:04:25Z")
President’s aides are official positions, they get paychecks. Jared is officially his son-in-law. They could claim with a straight face that he is not included. Most likely, already have. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/92 "2017-03-29T00:42:04Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > The law doesn’t apply to Trump. If the President does it, that means it is not illegal. So we were told once before. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/93 "2017-03-29T01:38:24Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [Apropos of nothing, Jared Kushner deleted all of his tweets today.](https://twitter.com/jaredkushner?s=09) [He appears never to have had any tweets to begin with](https://www.romper.com/p/did-jared-kushner-delete-his-tweets-his-account-appears-to-be-empty-47284). While I dislike these assholes, I really wish people would fact check these things. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/94 "2017-03-29T01:48:21Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > [He appears never to have had any tweets to begin with](https://www.romper.com/p/did-jared-kushner-delete-his-tweets-his-account-appears-to-be-empty-47284). While I dislike these assholes, I really wish people would fact check these things. ETA: OK, not completely “never.” [Apparently he did have 3 tweets by 2014](https://web.archive.org/web/20140305055703/https://twitter.com/jaredkushner), which were deleted sometime between then and October 2016 (which is the next time the Wayback Machine cached his Twitter account.) ---
**Author:** ![Tigers2B1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc29f/32.png) [@Tigers2B1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tigers2B1)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/95 "2017-03-29T01:52:09Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > [He appears never to have had any tweets to begin with](https://www.romper.com/p/did-jared-kushner-delete-his-tweets-his-account-appears-to-be-empty-47284). While I dislike these assholes, I really wish people would fact check these things. Good catch on the ‘fake news’. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/96 "2017-03-29T13:55:59Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Cooperating _after he was found out_. > > (Is the word for that still “cooperating”?) > Not forgetting the white supremacy: the alt-right loves them some white Christian Russia. > ETA–okay, you _did_ say ‘nationalistic,’ but it’s still worth highlighting the whiteness of it all. Yep “White White White is the color of our country”… to paraphrase from my favorite movie, " The Producers" ( the first one, not the unwatchable POS remake) But “White” is usually a dog-whistle. Like when Trump says NATO is obsolete and needs to focus more on terrorists - that translates to “stop picking on the white country Russia and start picking on brown people”. Of course when he says stuff like this it’s because the Bannonites are whispering in his ear. I bet if you got him alone in a room and asked him “what exactly is NATO?”, he couldn’t tell you. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/97 "2017-03-29T14:23:00Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Definitely. Kushner’s a little dumbshit. Hey, he got where he is through hard work and dedication. Not _his_, but you know, a few generations ago, there was some hard work. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/98 "2017-03-29T15:50:02Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > [He appears never to have had any tweets to begin with](https://www.romper.com/p/did-jared-kushner-delete-his-tweets-his-account-appears-to-be-empty-47284). While I dislike these assholes, I really wish people would fact check these things. Appreciate it. I’ll do better next time. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/99 "2017-03-29T19:45:38Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I bet if you got him alone in a room and asked him “what exactly is NATO?”, he couldn’t tell you. If you find someone who’d take that bet, then you have found a Trump voter. (In case you happen to want one.) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/100 "2017-03-30T15:15:11Z")
> “@marcorubio suffered from Russian active measures during the election, Clinton Watts tells Senate Intel Committee. Rubio looked startled.” This is, of course, for the Senate Intelligence Committee hearings today. Clinton is testifying that the Russians meddled with the GOP primary, specifically naming Rubio as a target. This may actually get the GOP interested in this topic… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799.md?page=6)