# Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians, according to US officials **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 23, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799 "2017-03-23T00:28:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1043 "2017-07-14T17:09:21Z")
What I enjoy in this exchange is seeing that is not just the hard Left Communist Party adherents that can engage in the more and more tortured defense based on on the the party loyalty above all logic… It is a good choice that the Republican right of the France took the route of rejecting absolutely the populist Putin alliance of the FN ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1044 "2017-07-14T17:12:04Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > That doesn’t say that any DNC staffer met with or directed anyone to meet with Ukrainians. DNC consultant did. And DNC encouraged her to do it. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1045 "2017-07-14T17:16:00Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > DNC consultant did. And DNC encouraged her to do it. And you have no objections? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1046 "2017-07-14T17:27:14Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > When he saw that no such information was forthcoming, the meeting was ended. Just to be clear, your proof that no such information was forthcoming is that Trump Jr. said that, right? Edit: I mean, you rephrased “damaging information” to be “information on Hillary or DNCs criminal misdeeds”–a phrase that appears nowhere in the email exchange (“incriminating” is the word that was used, not a word whose utility is exclusively in the criminal domain). Sure, it’s unlikely there was info on criminal misdeeds, since it’s unlikely there were criminal misdeeds. But it seems very plausible at this point that some information about DNC emails was exchanged at this meeting. Your evidence that it was a nothingburger meeting is solely Trump Jr’s testimony to that effect, right? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1047 "2017-07-14T17:29:02Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > And you have no objections? No. Why would I? It is not illegal, it may be “dirty” but that is how campaigns are run in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1048 "2017-07-14T17:29:35Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Dear God, we’ve reached a point where Charles Krauthammer is talking sense. > > Bloomberg has an [article](https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-07-14/no-one-else-would-take-the-russian-meeting)quoting people of both parties saying, “No one who knew what they were doing would take that meeting.” Is there ANY politician who has gone on record as saying that they would have taken that meeting (and not told law enforcement either before or after)? ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1049 "2017-07-14T17:30:44Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > We started at four attendees, then five, now at least six (Goldstone, plus “others” unknown to Akhmetshin). And we have documents possibly being passed. It sure would be nice to have those made public. > > And, at no point did anyone in the room think, “Uh, maybe we should involve the FBI in this? Foreign citizens are alleging illegal campaign contributions. We should report this to the authorities.” I’m not a politician, but I think if someone presented me evidence of a major crime, I’d probably realize that I should report it. > > Would failure to report this be a crime? Honest question. Assuming the lawyer passed documents with evidence of illegal campaign contributions, did anyone in the room have a legal obligation to turn it over to the FBI or other authorities? It’s seeming more and more like this whole thing was specifically done as a hit job on the Trumps. From the unambiguous text of the emails to now the Russian attendees coming forward with their accounts of the meetings. I’m assuming they also made recordings of the meetings, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they start to get leaked around. Maybe they need to get DeLorean’s lawyer and try to get off with an entrapment defense. I didn’t see any mention of adoptions in that article. Hmmm… I wonder if Jr’s bad memory is once again to blame. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1050 "2017-07-14T17:31:54Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > No. Why would I? It is not illegal, it may be “dirty” but that is how campaigns are run in the US. "There is no statute against helping a foreign hostile power meddle in an American election. What Donald Jr.—and Kushner and Manafort—did may not be criminal. But it is not merely stupid. It is also\*\* deeply wrong, a fundamental violation of any code of civic honour.\*\* - Charles Krauthammer This is what most people think. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1051 "2017-07-14T17:33:55Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Edit: I mean, you rephrased “damaging information” to be “information on Hillary or DNCs criminal misdeeds.” Sure, it’s unlikely there was info on criminal misdeeds, since it’s unlikely there were criminal misdeeds. But it seems very plausible at this point that some information about DNC emails was exchanged at this meeting. Any evidence of that whatsoever? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1052 "2017-07-14T17:36:05Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Any evidence of that whatsoever? Trump’s tweets 15 minutes after the meeting ended. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1053 "2017-07-14T17:38:21Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > It’s seeming more and more like this whole thing was specifically done as a hit job on the Trumps. From the unambiguous text of the emails to now the Russian attendees coming forward with their accounts of the meetings. I’m assuming they also made recordings of the meetings, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they start to get leaked around. Maybe they need to get DeLorean’s lawyer and try to get off with an entrapment defense. > > I didn’t see any mention of adoptions in that article. Hmmm… I wonder if Jr’s bad memory is once again to blame. Yeah, many of us were thinking the kompromat was the Hotel Piss Party or some shady deals with the Russian mob or something. And it turns out to be a fucking email chain. That’s apparently all it takes to humble the world’s greatest superpower. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1054 "2017-07-14T17:39:05Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Okra might get upset if he were to find out that Trump was actually a liberal. I sure as Hell would be! ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1055 "2017-07-14T17:40:16Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Trump’s tweets 15 minutes after the meeting ended. You mean his tweet that Hillary deleted 33,000 emails? Do you think Russians told him that? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1056 "2017-07-14T17:41:55Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > You mean his tweet that Hillary deleted 33,000 emails? Do you think Russians told him that? The Russians told him they’d try to get them, he was obviously very excited about that and wanted to start a little buzz about the whole sordid affair. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1057 "2017-07-14T17:43:29Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > The Russians told him they’d try to get them, he was obviously very excited about that and wanted to start a little buzz about the whole sordid affair. Of course. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1058 "2017-07-14T17:51:08Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I find your responses in this thread both frustrating and bewildering. Trump and people close to trump have repeatedly lied about who they’ve met, and continue to lie about who they’ve met. Frustrating, yes. Bewildering, not to me. He’s been in the tank for Trump all along. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1059 "2017-07-14T17:55:14Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > DNC consultant did. And DNC encouraged her to do it. Where does it say that the DNC encouraged her to do it? ---
**Author:** ![rock\_party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19b73/32.png) [@rock\_party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rock_party)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1060 "2017-07-14T17:58:47Z")
It’s amazing that some take Jr’s word at face value. Like he’s trustworthy, and has no reason to outright lie to avoid the upcoming shitstorm. Yes, there is evidence: The Russians DID hack our system, DID spam with phony pro-Trump/anti Hillary “articles”. ALL for the benefit of Trump. Let that sink in…they were working for Trump for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1061 "2017-07-14T17:59:50Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Where does it say that the DNC encouraged her to do it? In the article I cited. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1062 "2017-07-14T18:01:24Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Huh? Of course I don’t see anything wrong with a campaign meeting with Russians to obtain information on the opponent’s criminal misdeeds. Did I ever imply otherwise? Bricker has already explained, several times, that there is nothing illegal about it. What exacty is the problem? **Bricker** , of course, being the ultimate legal authority. Time for a big Eeeeeeeyeahrite. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799.md?page=54)