# Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians, according to US officials **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 23, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799 "2017-03-23T00:28:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 90
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1783 "2017-08-01T00:10:14Z")
:shakes fist at 5YLurker: Amazing. Trump: “It was a great day at the White House!” Narrator: “It was not a great day…” ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1784 "2017-08-01T00:14:16Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Trump himself was instrumental in his son’s coverup. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-dictated-sons-misleading-statement-on-meeting-with-russian-lawyer/2017/07/31/04c94f96-73ae-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304\_story.html?tid=sm\_tw&utm\_term=.81cd4ee62991](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-dictated-sons-misleading-statement-on-meeting-with-russian-lawyer/2017/07/31/04c94f96-73ae-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.81cd4ee62991) Was Trump’s discussion with Putin at the G20 dinner, “about adoptions”, before or after the plane ride? The article seems to be saying that it’s as he was returning from the G20 summit, in which case…that sure looks like Trump taking orders on how to cover up his son from Putin, with assurances that his people would go along with the story. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1785 "2017-08-01T00:21:06Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Trump himself was instrumental in his son’s coverup. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-dictated-sons-misleading-statement-on-meeting-with-russian-lawyer/2017/07/31/04c94f96-73ae-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304\_story.html?tid=sm\_tw&utm\_term=.81cd4ee62991](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-dictated-sons-misleading-statement-on-meeting-with-russian-lawyer/2017/07/31/04c94f96-73ae-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.81cd4ee62991) This sums it up for me… > [@](#): > > As Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III investigates potential obstruction of justice as part of his broader probe of Russian interference in the 2016 election, these advisers worry that the president’s direct involvement leaves him needlessly vulnerable to allegations of a coverup. > > “This was . . . unnecessary,” said one of the president’s advisers, who like most other people interviewed for this story spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive internal deliberations. “Now someone can claim he’s the one who attempted to mislead. Somebody can argue the president is saying he doesn’t want you to say the whole truth.” ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1786 "2017-08-01T00:31:05Z")
Oh Jesus, wow. Yeah, Kushner’s team posted the update to the security filing, the NY Times called up to ask about it sometime during the G20 trip, quite potentially before the G20 dinner, Trump admits that he talked to Putin about “adoptions” at the dinner, and then he tells Junior to go with that on the plane ride, the day after the dinner. That’s amazingly damning. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1787 "2017-08-01T00:39:13Z")
From that Washington Post article: > [@](#): > > In his mind, they said, there is nothing to conceal. Whoever wrote that deserves the rest of the week off. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1788 "2017-08-01T00:56:14Z")
Priebus isn’t wasting any time with the leaks. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1789 "2017-08-01T01:05:02Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Oh Jesus, wow. Yeah, Kushner’s team posted the update to the security filing, the NY Times called up to ask about it sometime during the G20 trip, quite potentially before the G20 dinner, Trump admits that he talked to Putin about “adoptions” at the dinner, and then he tells Junior to go with that on the plane ride, the day after the dinner. > > That’s amazingly damning. So, the options, in a rational world, are: 1. The President lied, using the basis of his understanding of what he and Putin talked about as cover, or 2. The President received and carried out instructions given him by Putin Did I miss one? (Please, no jokes about “Obama’s fault”, thx). ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1790 "2017-08-01T03:22:19Z")
Make no mistake about it, “adoptions” is code for “sanctions.” That lawyer chick that met with Jr has been working on having the Magnitsky Act repealed for years. [William Browder’s damning testimony](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-RsAGjUXtg) last week lays it out clearly. Some people think this may be why Trump was tweeting about trans soldiers and Scaramucci was talking about people sucking their own cock last week, to take attention away from this. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1791 "2017-08-01T03:40:35Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > Make no mistake about it, “adoptions” is code for “sanctions.” That lawyer chick that met with Jr has been working on having the Magnitsky Act repealed for years. [William Browder’s damning testimony](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-RsAGjUXtg) last week lays it out clearly. Some people think this may be why Trump was tweeting about trans soldiers and Scaramucci was talking about people sucking their own cock last week, to take attention away from this. Code word or not, Trump was asking Putin for advice on how to provide legal cover for his son, in an investigation into the connections between his family and the Russian government. The word “adoptions” is just too specific for him to not mean that he was talking about the Veselnitskaya meeting. This is like if I hire Jack to murder my wife, he does, and then we’re both under investigation by the police, who are trying to prove that he’s a hired killer and I hired him. We say that we don’t know one another, the police say that they have phone records of us talking, and then Jack walks over to me, right in front of the police, and asks, “What should I tell them we talked about?” And I tell him, “You should tell them that we talked about Earth movers.” And then Jack walks away from me, still right there in front of the police, turns to them and announces, “We talked about Earth movers!” And then the police look at the both of us and ask, again, “So you guys don’t know each other?” And we say back, in unison, “Nope!” ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1792 "2017-08-01T06:07:46Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Priebus isn’t wasting any time with the leaks. Lather, Reince, repeat! ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1793 "2017-08-01T19:23:42Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > This sums it up for me… What’s even better is that this most likely wasn’t even a privileged conversation. Since Trump and Trump Jr. use their own personal attorneys, any WH employed personnel present would most likely break privilege since they’re not represented. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1794 "2017-08-01T22:44:34Z")
Putin: Okay, let’s try this again. What’s the fucking codeword? Trump: Hillary. Jared: Psss, “adoptions! adoptions!” Trump: Oh yeah, Hillary. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1795 "2017-08-02T15:40:19Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > He’s literally the bull in the china shop. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > I like the “horse in a hospital” metaphor better. > [@elucidator](#): > > Rabid possum in the outhouse. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Sewer rat at a garden party. > [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Republican. America-hating fuckstick in the Oval Office. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1796 "2017-08-02T17:00:17Z")
The turd in the punchbowl. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1797 "2017-08-02T17:40:40Z")
Can someone explain [this](http://www.newsweek.com/rex-tillerson-rejects-80m-congress-fight-russian-propaganda-because-it-would-645554) to me in any normal context? \* "Congress has given $80 million to the State Department to fight Russian propaganda and misinformation, but Secretary of State Rex Tillerson reportedly is reluctant to put it to use. A former senior State Department official told Politico that Tillerson’s spokesman, R.C. Hammond, suggested using the money to counter Russian disinformation and propaganda would rile Moscow."\* ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1798 "2017-08-02T17:40:52Z")
Perhaps now we can change the title to simply “Trump coordinated with Russians”? ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2017, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1799 "2017-08-02T17:47:48Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Perhaps now we can change the title to simply “Trump coordinated with Russians”? “Trump continues to coordinate with the Russians” may be more accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1800 "2017-08-03T19:43:00Z")
A [grand jury](https://www.wsj.com/articles/special-counsel-mueller-impanels-washington-grand-jury-in-russia-probe-1501788287?mod=mktw) has been impaneled. Can one of our legal scholars weigh in on the significance? ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1801 "2017-08-03T20:00:46Z")
IANAL, so I don’t know the legal term for “shit’s getting real”. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799/1802 "2017-08-03T20:10:49Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > IANAL, so I don’t know the legal term for “shit’s getting real”. shitus realus [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799.md?page=89) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians-according-to-us-officials/782799.md?page=91)