# Trump at dinner - an interesting vignette on the private Trump you don't see **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 28, 2017, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996 "2017-02-28T00:19:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996/21 "2017-02-28T13:56:10Z")
Hoo boy, that restaurant’s menu is so retro, it’s cutting edge bland. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996/22 "2017-02-28T15:27:52Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Dry-aged, no less. > > I want to cry. “Bring us some _fresh_ wine! The freshest you’ve got. This year! No more of this old stuff!” — Navin R. Johnson / Donald J. Trump ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996/23 "2017-02-28T15:31:09Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > More simply, is there an issue of respect or politeness here that orthodox law addresses? Is it okay to accept a non-kosher meal from someone in Trump’s position? Probably dating back to when a refusal might have been fatal, of course. Commentators accept the need to attend a meeting in a non-kosher restaurant in order to preserve one’s employment, but not to eat non-kosher food therein. To eat _treif_ food merely as a gesture of politeness? No. To save a life, certainly. The trickier subject is the decision to eat food that is kosher in the non-kosher restaurant. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996/24 "2017-02-28T15:33:26Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > I wouldn’t care if he ate his steak well-done with A-1 sauce. What I care about is what he does during the daytime. Agreed, though the fact that he likes to present himself as a paragon of classiness and taste, and then eats his steak as though he’s at Ponderosa, is amusing, at the least. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996/25 "2017-02-28T15:41:51Z")
And I noticed it was nearly an hour after the reporter’s arrival that he was finally served his four strips of bacon. I guess it’s not a place to go to if you’re actually hungry. And did the bacon come with ketchup? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996/26 "2017-02-28T15:49:36Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > And did the bacon come with ketchup? Nah, the ketchup came with the eggs. 😛 > [@Merneith](#): > > According to the [online menu](http://bltrestaurants.com/index.php?aam_media=2619), those four strips of laundered bacon cost $15. Are we sure this isn’t how the _money_ got laundered? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996/27 "2017-02-28T16:05:31Z")
Most interesting bit was Farage hanging around like a bit of toilet tissue underfoot. ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996/28 "2017-02-28T19:31:26Z")
Given how close Ivanka and Kushner seem to be to his inner circle, it wouldn’t surprise me a bit if his hotel has a small kosher kitchen for their exclusive use. It wouldn’t have to be large or regularly staffed. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996/29 "2017-02-28T20:08:52Z")
> [@iamthewalrus\_3](#): > > Given how close Ivanka and Kushner seem to be to his inner circle, it wouldn’t surprise me a bit if his hotel has a small kosher kitchen for their exclusive use. It wouldn’t have to be large or regularly staffed. Not to derail the thread, but that’s not a complete answer. The problem of _maris ayin_ remains: doing a halakically permitted act that nonetheless appears to an observer to be forbidden. Let’s imagine that Yedidiah is known to be pious and observant. One day, people see him eating at a non-kosher restaurant. There are three possible poor results: [ul] [li]That Yedidiah isn’t pious at all! What a jerk![/li][li]Hmm, Yedidiah eats here. The place must be kosher.[/li][li]We see Yedidiah eating here, and we know that he is observant and that the restaurant is not kosher, but since Yedidiah knows the Torah so well,it must be one of those prohibitions that isn’t all that important.[/li][/ul] All of these are evils that _marit ayin_ seeks to avoid. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996/30 "2017-02-28T21:22:57Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > All of these are evils that _marit ayin_ seeks to avoid. To head off nit-picking: yes, I am aware that technically I am including _chashad_ in the _maris ayin_. Sue me. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Apollyon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/apollyon/32/4238_2.png) [@Apollyon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apollyon)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996/31 "2017-03-01T00:16:38Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Coffee or tea, served in a glass or disposable container, should be fine. But not in a cup or mug? (Bit off-topic, but curiosity piqued given your phrasing.) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996/32 "2017-03-01T01:24:57Z")
> [@Apollyon](#): > > But not in a cup or mug? (Bit off-topic, but curiosity piqued given your phrasing.) It’s possible – depends on what material is involved. There are two considerations. A regular cup may be rendered unusable because of a concern that it held milk in the last 24 hours. This in turn depends on the particular individual and whether he insists on _cholov yisroel_, milk obtained under Jewish supervision. (See slightly more detailed discussion [here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=785832), but in quick summary, cow’s milk can’t be mixed with milk from non-kosher species, and the question here is how certain must the Jew be? One side argues that in the United States today it is virtually impossible for cow’s milk to be mixed with other species’ milk, because of agricultural inspection. So even though the inspection is not religious,or done by a Jew, Jews may rely on the milk (_chalav stam_, or plain milk). The more strict opinion is that regardless of the secular inspection laws, there is a necessity of Jewish supervision, and only milk thus produced is acceptable (_cholov yisroel_). Glass is safe regardless, because it is said to not absorb hot material it contains. And obviously a disposable cup is fine as well. Glazed chinaware is generally not acceptable, because it’s said to absorb material or flavor from hot foods. Earthernware is also right out. Now, all these are general principles. The linked thread is an example of two authorities reaching different conclusions on milk in the U.S. Even under the tent of Orthodox Judaism, there is disagreement on points. ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996/33 "2017-03-01T01:30:47Z")
> [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > **‘The woman next to me screams “Is it him? It’s really him! Oh my God! This is like a dream!”’** It would had been more like nightmare to me ! ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996/34 "2017-03-01T03:10:56Z")
Steak broiled at 1700 degrees??! Oh: > **[2. Cooking Temperature: 1600 Degrees?](http://steakperfection.blogspot.com/2010/03/2-cooking-temperature-1600-degrees.html)** > > This is the second in the following series of blogs on the ideal cooking temperature for grilling a steak over live coals: 1. Cooking Tem... > [@Two\_Many\_Cats](#): > > Hoo boy, that restaurant’s menu is so retro, it’s cutting edge bland. At least they agree that french fries should be served with mayo (hold the cilantro in my case): French Fries / Cilantro Mayonnaise / 11 ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996/35 "2017-03-01T05:31:48Z")
That menu is just plain weird. Look under salads. One says Baby spinach/Maytag . . . What on Earth is “Maytag”? Unless they are butchering clothes washers back there . . . ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996/36 "2017-03-01T05:42:33Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > That menu is just plain weird. Look under salads. One says Baby spinach/Maytag . . . > > What on Earth is “Maytag”? Unless they are butchering clothes washers back there . . . Grilled slices of the Maytag Man’s baby? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996/37 "2017-03-01T05:44:47Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > That menu is just plain weird. Look under salads. One says Baby spinach/Maytag . . . > > What on Earth is “Maytag”? Unless they are butchering clothes washers back there . . . A kind of bleu cheese dressing. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996/38 "2017-03-01T12:41:22Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > A kind of bleu cheese dressing. [Aha!](http://www.saveur.com/article/Recipes/Maytag-Blue-Cheese-Dip) Thank you very much. One of those times when the wrong answer overwhelmed the google attempt. I should have thought to add the word “recipe”. :smack: As for the bacon appetizer, I suppose with a name like “BLT” they sort of have to be serious about their bacon. But they don’t even have a BLT appetizer. It seems like an odd name for a steak house. If I’d been looking for steak, I’d have assumed that was a sandwich shop and kept walking. Looking at the “Prime” menu, it’s clear that the “B” is David Burke. Who is “L”? P.S. on the “Prime” menu, the seafood section is called “Ocean Meats.” :roll eyes: ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996/39 "2017-03-01T13:39:12Z")
If Jewish people are allowed to be only served by Jewish catering staff and waiters ( as I assume there’d be a wee bit of fuss in New York if a gentile insisted on Gentile Only staff ), it might be difficult for owners to keep a Jewish waiter permanently on hand to serve the odd occasions when observant kosher preferrers enter. And suppose an owner advertised for a spare Jewish waiter or waitress, and the main qualification was their religion/ethnicity ? Would it not come across Discrimination if a muslim waitress or a christian black waiter was refused the job based on their religion/colour ? Anyway, I adore the title of this thread, and may borrow/modify it for a fawning biography: **The Trump Nobody Knows** ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996/40 "2017-03-01T15:26:29Z")
> [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > If Jewish people are allowed to be only served by Jewish catering staff and waiters ( as I assume there’d be a wee bit of fuss in New York if a gentile insisted on Gentile Only staff ), it might be difficult for owners to keep a Jewish waiter permanently on hand to serve the odd occasions when observant kosher preferrers enter. When I spoke of Jewish supervision above, it was related to supervision at the dairy. But it’s true that there are requirements for a kosher restaurant guest that could only be met by having Jewish staff – a non-Jew pouring a glass of wine can make the wine undrinkable for an observant Jew. > [@](#): > > And suppose an owner advertised for a spare Jewish waiter or waitress, and the main qualification was their religion/ethnicity ? Would it not come across Discrimination if a muslim waitress or a christian black waiter was refused the job based on their religion/colour ? Without expertise in the area, I suspect that requiring Jewish staff in a kosher restaurant or to serve kosher guests is a “bona fide occupational qualification,” and a restaurant that wished to do it could safely do it. Oddly enough, an Islamic waitress might be of greater value than a Christian one. One reason the wine issue arises is concern that that the non-Jew was an idolator and intended to use the wine for idol worship – but Muslims, unlike Christians, are not idolators (in this framework–obviously as a Catholic I don’t concur with the assessment!) Of course, they could serve mevushal wine, which has been boiled, and is exempt from the restrictions discussed above. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-at-dinner-an-interesting-vignette-on-the-private-trump-you-dont-see/780996.md?page=3)