# "Trump blames Biden's D.E.I. policy for air crash" (NY headline) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [January 30, 2025, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632 "2025-01-30T18:41:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632/121 "2025-02-01T00:35:17Z")
I saw a video about a year ago where the creator said basically the same thing that Trump said. He claimed (without proof) that the FAA lowered the standards so more minorities could be ATCs. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632/122 "2025-02-01T00:45:40Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Turns out the “DEi” program Trump has been blaming for the crash was initiated during the presidency of (checks notes) Donald Trump. Looks like this would have been the person in charge at the time: > **[Daniel Elwell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Elwell)** > > Daniel Kevin Elwell served in the first Trump Administration as Deputy Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), and as the Acting Administrator of the FAA in addition to running the Next Generation Air Transportation System. > Appointed by President Donald Trump to become the FAA Deputy Administrator in June 2017, Elwell was promoted to Acting Administrator on January 7, 2018. He was succeeded by Stephen Dickson in August 2019. > Raised in Long Island, Elwell graduated with a Bac... ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632/123 "2025-02-01T01:29:19Z")
Two comments on what Vance said: (1) It kind of pegs my irony meter to have Vance giving a lecture on having the highest standards in hiring a few days after casting the tie-breaking vote to make Hegseth the Secretary of DoD. (2) Notice how Vance has turned Trump’s claims into something that is unfalsifiable. I.e., even if it turns out that all parties involved were white males, they can argue that the DEI programs put stresses on them that caused them to f\*ck up. ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632/124 "2025-02-01T02:03:23Z")
The end goal is to relegalize discrimination. They will claim it’s for safety reasons to start of course, but the purge of minorities and women from positions of leadership and jobs where they “don’t belong” is already starting. The great resegregation of America has begun. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632/125 "2025-02-01T16:22:01Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Tranraceism. Clearly the helicopter is Indian not Black and I’ll bet it identifies as an attack helicopter. Could be all three, a trifecta. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632/126 "2025-02-01T16:30:21Z")
If either pilot or the ATC had been black, we’d know already. They would have been doxxed and their life put at risk. The vague fishing around of DEI _policy_ being the problem, means that everyone involved so far has been frustratingly white male het. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632/127 "2025-02-01T16:44:14Z")
If I’m not a white het male, why would I want to be an ATC after this? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632/128 "2025-02-01T16:46:38Z")
To be honest, given the stress involved, I don’t see how anyone would want to be an air traffic controller. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632/129 "2025-02-01T16:49:20Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > If I’m not a white het male, why would I want to be an ATC after this? You think this is a bug. By the logic of the Trump administration, this is a feature. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632/130 "2025-02-01T16:49:43Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I don’t see how anyone would want to be an air traffic controller. Modern Problems. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632/131 "2025-02-01T17:56:29Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > If I’m not a white het male, why would I want to be an ATC after this? Hey, a whole generation grew up watching a successful African-American ATC on TV: > **[Roger Rockmore](https://thekenanandkel.fandom.com/wiki/Roger_Rockmore)** > > Roger Rockmore is the father of Kenan and Kyra and the husband of Sheryl Rockmore. Roger is a strict and intimidating man with a deep voice who works at O'Hare Airport as an air traffic controller. He is the only one who doesn't seem to like Kel.... ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632/132 "2025-02-01T21:38:21Z")
I haven’t seen this mentioned here yet but there has already been BS on right wing websites claiming the pilot of the Blackhawk was [this trans woman who is in the Virginia National Guard.](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/jo-ellis-dc-plane-crash-rumors-helicopter-pilot-transgender-trump-dei-rcna190180) They had to post a “proof of life” video on Facebook to get most of it to stop. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632/133 "2025-02-01T21:49:44Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > To be honest, given the stress involved, I don’t see how anyone would want to be an air traffic controller. Money and benefits. I’ve not only worked with ATCs as a pilot I’ve met a few face to face. There actually is job satisfaction, particularly away from the most crowded/crazy hubs. Sure, it’s stressful, so are lots of other jobs. Unlike being, say, a police officer an ATC doesn’t have to worry about being shot on the job. Just one example. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632/134 "2025-02-01T21:50:57Z")
Thanks. But when things go south, many lives can be lost. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632/135 "2025-02-01T21:52:06Z")
True. Which is why so much effort is put into avoiding things going south. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632/136 "2025-02-01T23:20:33Z")
> [@Zoobi](#): > > The end goal is to relegalize discrimination. Or in one word: apartheid. (Elon will be a great resource during its establishment!) > [@jshore](#): > > It kind of pegs my irony meter to have Vance giving a lecture on having the highest standards in hiring a few days after casting the tie-breaking vote to make Hegseth the Secretary of DoD. Hegseth is the ultimate _ **LBM** _ hire. (Loyalty Before Merit.) Or maybe he’s not actually the _ultimate_. It’s a tough field to rank. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2025, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632/137 "2025-02-02T15:17:12Z")
Had to add this scene from my beloved “West Wing:” > [@](#): > > Major Tate : Sir, we’re not prejudiced toward homosexuals. > > Admiral Percy Fitzwallace : You just don’t want to see them serving in the Armed Forces? > > Major Tate : No sir, I don’t. > > Admiral Percy Fitzwallace : 'Cause they impose a threat to unit discipline and cohesion. > > Major Tate : Yes, sir. > > Admiral Percy Fitzwallace : That’s what I think, too. I also think the military wasn’t designed to be an instrument of social change. > > Major Tate : Yes, sir. > > Admiral Percy Fitzwallace : The problem with that is that’s what they were saying about me 50 years ago - blacks shouldn’t serve with whites. It would disrupt the unit. You know what? It did disrupt the unit. The unit got over it. The unit changed. I’m an admiral in the U.S. Navy and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff… Beat that with a stick. > > RIP, Mr. Amos. ETA: [**VIDEO (95s)**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G3AH7jDUL0) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2025, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632/138 "2025-02-03T03:44:20Z")
Right now, quoting or referencing _The West Wing_ is akin to offering a big, enticing slice of carrot cake to a type-1 diabetic. Just, hold onto that for now. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2025, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632/139 "2025-02-03T07:27:30Z")
Missing extremities?! How does losing a leg affect one’s ability to control air traffic? 🙄 Senator Duckworth, who knows something about aviation and missing extremities, needs to go and kick Trump’s ass from here to next Monday! Figuratively for sure, literally if needs be. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2025, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632/140 "2025-02-03T11:33:11Z")
> [@PhillyGuy's link](#): > > the best and the brightest, the most intelligent coming into these spaces. The irony of this is shining with a golden hue so bright it is hurting my eyes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-blames-bidens-d-e-i-policy-for-air-crash-ny-headline/1013632.md?page=8)