# Trump bloody after shots fired at a Trump Rally: Jul 13, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 13, 2024, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162 "2024-07-13T22:13:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/469 "2024-07-14T17:43:43Z")
Man, that absolutely sucks. This whole thing sucks. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/470 "2024-07-14T17:45:41Z")
I grew up in Union Township, PA just across the county line from Bethel Park. Bethel Park abuts wealthy suburbs, particularly Peters Township, Upper St. Clair and Mount Lebanon but isn’t very wealthy itself. It has lots of smaller tract suburban development with little infill and a number of older apartment complexes. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/471 "2024-07-14T17:53:27Z")
And perhaps even more relevant, kinetic energy equals 1/2 mass times velocity _ **squared** _. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/472 "2024-07-14T17:54:10Z")
Dude had explosive devices in his car. Seems like there’s always explosive devices in these stories. [Trump Rally Suspect Had Explosive Devices in His Car: WSJ (yahoo.com)](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-rally-suspect-had-explosive-145910918.html) ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/473 "2024-07-14T17:57:15Z")
I wonder why he left them in his car. He had to know he wasn’t going to be able to make it back to his vehicle after he took the first shot. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/474 "2024-07-14T17:58:07Z")
Either Plan B or he wasn’t really thinking clearly. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/475 "2024-07-14T17:58:21Z")
I hate reports like that, it could be anything from firecrackers to a homemade bomb. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/476 "2024-07-14T18:01:08Z")
> **Summary** > > > [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > > > What’s remarkable about that? > > > [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > > > Well, he was laying…on a rooftop with a rifle 100 yards away from a former president, so there’s that. > > Which is perfectly legal. [/satire] > Once you get your license for open carry, the law doesn’t say whether you have to carry vertically or horizontally.[/satire, again] > > Because “God, guns and guts” are what defines American culture. [not satire, unfortunately] ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/477 "2024-07-14T18:03:01Z")
**Moderating** : Wrong thread for this post. I’ll hide it for you. Please avoid hijacks of a fast moving breaking news thread. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/478 "2024-07-14T18:03:48Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > I wonder why he left them in his car. He had to know he wasn’t going to be able to make it back to his vehicle after he took the first shot. Pure speculation: He shows up with two options. First option is to try to get on the roof with the gun. If that doesn’t work for whatever reason, go back to the car and attempt to plow into the crowd as a suicide bomber. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/479 "2024-07-14T18:04:08Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Wrong thread for this post. I apologize. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/480 "2024-07-14T18:10:56Z")
I keep going wobbly when I think what the world would have seen had Trump taken that bullet right to the face. I’m not talking about politics, I’m just talking about the disgusting carnage that would be splashed all over every web site on the planet from twelve different angles. It shakes me. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/481 "2024-07-14T18:55:33Z")
Biden will address the nation from the Oval Office at 8pm Eastern. He had a brief conversation with Trump. He has ordered an independent investigation of why the lapses happened and beefed up security for the GOP convention. [www.thehill.com/homenews/administration/4771590-biden-says-he-had-good-talk-with-trump-directs-independent-review-of-rally-security/](http://www.thehill.com/homenews/administration/4771590-biden-says-he-had-good-talk-with-trump-directs-independent-review-of-rally-security/) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/482 "2024-07-14T19:16:17Z")
Is it a certainty that it was a bullet that hit trump’s ear? It makes more sense that trump was hit with a piece of plexiglass from the shattered teleprompter. Any thoughts from the marksmen here? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/483 "2024-07-14T19:19:59Z")
> [@Absolute](#): > > My guess as to how the result of the investigation here turns out: > > 1. Trump is not president yet (in fact, not even formally the nominee) and doesn’t have the same Secret Service resources as a sitting president would have. This is just a practical matter, it would not be feasible to give every candidate the same enormous protective bubble that goes with the president. > 2. Particularly at this stage, the Secret Service relies on state and local police for a security perimeter. Someone was nominally responsible for maintaining security in the area of those buildings, but it was a bored local cop in the parking lot. > 3. **The counter-sniper team was aware that there was a suspicious person on that roof and that there was chatter about it on the radio, and was watching what was happening** through their scopes, but didn’t have positive ID of the person and/or couldn’t clearly see a weapon, and weren’t going to shoot the guy just as a precaution. > 4. Only once the person actually opened fire did the severity of the situation become clear and the counter-sniper team took him out immediately. Not unreasonable—except for law enforcement (whether local or Secret Service) failing to IMMEDIATELY remove a person from that rooftop, once he’d been seen. Whether or not a firearm was visible should not have changed the need for immediate removal. (My bolding in the quote.) There’s just no way to excuse that failure. This investigation had better be thorough and fully transparent. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/484 "2024-07-14T19:20:37Z")
There is a photo from a NYT photographer that appears to show the bullet: [![](https://i.imgur.com/FYX8T0W.png) ](https://i.imgur.com/FYX8T0W.png) The teleprompters seem to be intact. But I’m not sure if it really matters a whole lot if it was a bullet or broken glass which got him. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/485 "2024-07-14T19:24:50Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Let’s not fall victim to Chuck Todd Syndrome: “Shots fired at DJT? That’s got to be bad news for Democrats.” The MAGAciles are not going to be more fired up because they could not possibly be more fired up. I don’t see this as moving the political needle. My concern would be that Mr. and Mrs. low-info voter see the pic of trump with his fist raised as the SS surrounds him and think “oh, he’s so brave” and decide to vote for him. Enough of them to move the needle, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/486 "2024-07-14T19:25:18Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > The teleprompters seem to be intact. But I’m not sure if it really matters a whole lot if it was a bullet or broken glass which got him. They do have to rule out participation by any person other than the roof-top shooter. So every fragment (glass or metal or what) flying through the air, and the timing of the launching of those fragments, has to be nailed down. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/487 "2024-07-14T19:27:14Z")
A post was merged into an existing topic: [Thread for Discussion of Political Ramifications of Trump Injury from Shooting at the Butler, PA Rally](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-for-discussion-of-political-ramifications-of-trump-injury-from-shooting-at-the-butler-pa-rally/1004185/228) ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/488 "2024-07-14T19:29:59Z")
Surprising development if confirmed to be true: > (In case this doesn’t embed for you: “NEW: Donald Trump’s campaign has started pausing their digital fundraising efforts post the shooting in Pennsylvania, per people familiar with the matter. / The NRCC also paused their digital fundraising since the shooting, per a spokesman. / Unclear when that will start up again”) Obviously fundraising in the wake of something like this would be intensely tacky. Biden certainly hit the pause button. Of course, Trump has previously demonstrated zero shame or sense of taste when there’s advantage to be won or money to be made, no matter who’s trying to convince him. But apparently this time someone caught his ear. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162.md?page=25)