# Trump bloody after shots fired at a Trump Rally: Jul 13, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 13, 2024, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162 "2024-07-13T22:13:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/489 "2024-07-14T19:41:44Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > But apparently this time someone caught his ear. You are a bad person. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/490 "2024-07-14T19:57:02Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > > [@Cervaise](#): > > > > But apparently this time someone caught his ear. - > > You are a bad person. 🙂 It’s not often a bad person deserves 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/491 "2024-07-14T20:27:30Z")
For those out there who are handy with guns, how difficult was the shot considering the distance and equipment used? Was it easier or more difficult than the shot that Oswald took? Or in sporting terms, was it a layup, free throw, 3 pointer, or half court? ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/492 "2024-07-14T20:38:50Z")
According to Sergeant Hartmann, Oswald and Whitman were in the Marines, and “Those individuals showed what one motivated marine and his rifle can do! And before you ladies leave my island, you will be able to do the same thing!” I take it the shooter in this case lacked any training. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/493 "2024-07-14T20:39:03Z")
I wouldn’t call myself “handy” with a firearm, but then I wouldn’t call the vast majority of gun owners handy with one either and would wager I actually have more marksmanship training than most as well. So with that… Oswald shot from closer range, but at a moving target (albeit in a roughly straight line moving away from him, not a crossing shot, which would have been harder to pull off). If this shooter had been half as capable as Oswald, I suspect he’d have done more than just nick his target. Hitting a human target at 150 yards with an assault rifle firing in semi-auto isn’t that hard, even if you only have one shot, let alone half a dozen. Assuming you know how to actually use your weapon and have completed even rudimentary training in marksmanship, that is. Something people don’t realize—even gun nuts—is that it does actually take some training to be effective with a weapon beyond point blank range even under the best conditions. I think Oswald is very much overrated as a marksman, but I also think he was (unfortunately—which is to say I wish Oswald had been a worse shot, not the other way around) a better marksman than this asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/494 "2024-07-14T20:46:20Z")
In my opinion the Kennedy shooting was a pretty easy shot - scoped 7.35 mm Carcano rifle fired at a slow speed target moving in a nearly straight line away from the shooter inside of a city block. Only thing upping the difficulty is firing multiple times in a short time span with a bolt action rifle but most reasonably competent deer hunters could do that. This one would have been IMO slightly more difficult only because I think the AR-15 isn’t the ideal rifle for this shot. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/495 "2024-07-14T20:47:04Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > For those out there who are handy with guns, how difficult was the shot considering the distance and equipment used? Was it easier or more difficult than the shot that Oswald took? Or in sporting terms, was it a layup, free throw, 3 pointer, or half court? You would have to be psychic to make the shot since Trump had moved. Beyond that what would matter would be the type of scope used, the barrel length, the rifling of the barrel and how the gun was stabilized. Extra points for having the trigger re-worked for smoothness. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/496 "2024-07-14T20:54:11Z")
FWIW, we don’t know if the shooter here had a scope or no. There are scopes for the AR-15. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/497 "2024-07-14T21:01:00Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > beyond point blank range A phrase that most folks do not understand! > **[Point-blank range](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point-blank_range)** > > Point-blank range is any distance over which a certain firearm or gun can hit a target without the need to elevate the barrel to compensate for bullet drop, i.e. the gun can be pointed horizontally at the target. For targets beyond-blank range, the shooter will have to point the barrel of their firearm at a position above the target, and firearms that are designed for long range firefights usually have adjustable sights to help the shooter hit targets beyond point-blank range. The maximum p In ... It isn’t a distance, it’s entirely dependent on “flatness” of the trajectory of a particular round and it’s loading. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/498 "2024-07-14T21:11:27Z")
The rifle would be sighted in to a certain reasonable distance. 300 meters? 200 meters? ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/499 "2024-07-14T21:11:31Z")
_groooooaaaaaan_ (re CMC) > [@DPRK](#): > > The rifle would be sighted in to a certain reasonable distance. 300 meters? 200 meters? If he (or his dad, since apparently it was his father’s gun) knew what he was doing, yes. But that’s very much an _if_. And, I mean, if he reallllly knew what he was doing, he’d have had it sighted for 150 meters, because that’s the range he was shooting from, and he might have estimated as much before showing up to the scene. But I doubt he reallllly knew what he was doing (as evidenced by completely missing with all but one shot, and at best grazing his intended victim with the other). ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/500 "2024-07-14T21:12:17Z")
In response to **BobLibDem** : The shooting was very different than shooting at a range. The marksman was probably having a heart pounding rapidly, sweating or at least in some way agitated beyond the norm, since this was shooting at a target that would probably mean the gunman’s own imminent death, and the immensely high stakes. When you’re at a practice range, there’s no pressure. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/501 "2024-07-14T21:15:28Z")
In other words, buck fever? Times a thousand? ---
**Author:** ![Apodder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/apodder/32/17727_2.png) [@Apodder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apodder)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/502 "2024-07-14T21:23:13Z")
What I was wondering, too. Also, how is getting your shoes the most important thing right then? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/503 "2024-07-14T21:30:31Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > In response to **BobLibDem** : The shooting was very different than shooting at a range. The marksman was probably having a heart pounding rapidly, sweating or at least in some way agitated beyond the norm, since this was shooting at a target that would probably mean the gunman’s own imminent death, and the immensely high stakes. When you’re at a practice range, there’s no pressure. I again heard on a news report that a local LEO confronted the shooter and then fell off the roof or the ladder when the rifle was pointed at them. That is apparently what is reported in the Washington Post. If true then the shooter was already in a panic and knew he only had seconds. If I hear another reporter say it was a “five hundred and fifty six rifle” I’m going to throw something at the tv. Guns aren’t that complicated and you’ve been working the story for 24 hours. Get the 5 pieces of information you do have right. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/504 "2024-07-14T21:31:22Z")
> [@Apodder](#): > > Also, how is getting your shoes the most important thing right then? That was so weird. I hope we get some sort of explanation. (Why would getting your ear grazed, either by flying glass or flying bullet, knock your shoes off??? And how did Trump have the mental space needed for thinking about his shoes, in that situation, where for all he (presumably) knew, bullets were still flying???) ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/505 "2024-07-14T21:33:13Z")
I Googled the term, and yes, I suppose that’s the best description. But magnified much more, yes, since 1) shooting a deer won’t result in deadly consequences for the hunter himself and 2) this deer is one of the most important people on the planet. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/506 "2024-07-14T21:35:37Z")
The reason is probably vanity. He didn’t want anyone to see the lifts in his shoes. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/507 "2024-07-14T21:36:43Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Guns aren’t that complicated and you’ve been working the story for 24 hours. [![](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c060c8eb4a0be48c0fce74796e171987) ](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c060c8eb4a0be48c0fce74796e171987) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/508 "2024-07-14T21:36:52Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > The reason is probably vanity. He didn’t want anyone to see the lifts in his shoes. . Heh. You’re probably right! Imagine having that be your first thought when bullets are flying. (I still don’t get how his shoes came OFF, though.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162.md?page=26)