# Trump bloody after shots fired at a Trump Rally: Jul 13, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 13, 2024, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162 "2024-07-13T22:13:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/633 "2024-07-15T19:30:37Z")
It might also just be the only snipers there are pictures of and so they are being shown as the “snipers”. Also, yes, that building is the fail point. Full stop. What happened can’t happen because it was _so easy_ to prevent. Law enforcement/secret service totally failed the person they were supposed to protect. The finger pointing has already began between the two. I was going to say more but full stop should mean full stop. > [@Sherrerd](#): > > Even if that were possible, I believe there is or will be photographic evidence that _the snipers were facing the suspect long before_ those first shots hit the podium area. They were. We can quibble over “long before” but can agree on long enough. My point above is in the direction doesn’t equal pointed at the shooter; or know that he was in fact a “hot” target they should shoot in the head asap. [![](https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/3453x2302+0+0/resize/1200/quality/85/format/webp/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F8d%2F6f%2F861094aa4633960802e85750cb3c%2Fap24196181712201.jpg) ](https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/3453x2302+0+0/resize/1200/quality/85/format/webp/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F8d%2F6f%2F861094aa4633960802e85750cb3c%2Fap24196181712201.jpg) This picture was before the shooting in the direction of the shooter. In at least the seconds before the shots, the snipers had their eyes on the scopes. There is a video out there that shows it. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/634 "2024-07-15T19:31:52Z")
eric trump just said on the convention floor that his father had half his ear shot off. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/635 "2024-07-15T19:43:34Z")
Maybe he’ll have part of his ear replaced with gold. Or have Eric transplant his ear to his father. Apparently the roof was noted by the SS before the rally, but as others have said the local PD and SS and blaming each other. > **[Rooftop where gunman shot at Trump was identified as a security vulnerability...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-rally-shooting-secret-service-identified-rooftop-security-flaw-rcna161783)** > > Two sources told NBC News that the Secret Service flagged a building near the rally site as a security concern. Investigators will be scrutinizing how a gunman was allowed to scale it. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/636 "2024-07-15T19:46:14Z")
There’s a big picture of Trump with Vance on the front page of Yahoo! right now. Trump’s ear doesn’t show any damage. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/637 "2024-07-15T19:53:02Z")
Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/638 "2024-07-15T19:55:48Z")
Pic is from 2022 ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/639 "2024-07-15T19:59:54Z")
Oops. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/640 "2024-07-15T20:01:19Z")
When is Trump, ear and all, set to appear at the convention? ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/641 "2024-07-15T20:03:47Z")
Definite ear damage, but he’s leaned into it (j/k): [https://i.im](https://i.im) [WordPress.com](http://gur.com/XCou5F) G.jpeg ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/642 "2024-07-15T20:08:12Z")
Whoops. Thanks, @Folly ---
**Author:** ![3AxisCtrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/ecd19e/32.png) [@3AxisCtrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3AxisCtrl)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/643 "2024-07-15T20:29:35Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > So what? Their instinctual training would still be not to do that So we have a cop who was chased off the roof by having a gun pointed at him, by a guy who is very clearly up to no good. A conspicuous signal to others (at least) is vitally important But his “instinctual training” prevents him from firing some shots (say, into the ground)? Put me down as skeptical. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/644 "2024-07-15T20:32:21Z")
> [@3AxisCtrl](#): > > Put me down as skeptical. Then can you find examples of it happening? ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/645 "2024-07-15T20:32:45Z")
I’m starting to wonder if the kid had help getting to the roof. Pretty sure the SS is wondering that as well. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/646 "2024-07-15T20:37:03Z")
He had a ladder. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/647 "2024-07-15T20:43:47Z")
I don’t know, but from what I can tell the shooting happened very close in time to that cop falling (possibly less than a minute or seconds). What would shooting a gun, on the ground behind the building 150+ yards away, into the ground do? Make someone look to the roof? It’s just noise that’s hard to locate where it came from. It’s also absolutely going to be the focal point of everyone’s attention - on the ground instead of on the roof. And possibly get him shot in the head as a nut shooting a gun, badge or no badge. You radio in what you know and hope it’s communicated fast enough. It wasn’t. Just my two cents. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/648 "2024-07-15T20:48:06Z")
> [@3AxisCtrl](#): > > > [@hajario](#): > > > > So what? Their instinctual training would still be not to do that > > So we have a cop who was chased off the roof by having a gun pointed at him, by a guy who is very clearly up to no good. A conspicuous signal to others (at least) is vitally important But his “instinctual training” prevents him from firing some shots (say, into the ground)? > > Put me down as skeptical. Ok so one skeptical. Check. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/649 "2024-07-15T20:50:01Z")
I don’t think that people who have just fallen off of ladders are very good at responding constructively to anything. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/650 "2024-07-15T21:13:57Z")
Which is a good reason to instinctively radio an alert prior to investigating a person seen on the roof. This was a high profile target they were guarding. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/651 "2024-07-15T21:30:05Z")
So that’s the rub, right? Prior to that cop investigating (seeing the gun), it would be a “possible” armed suspect on roof, will confirm. After investigating, it was confirmed he was armed. There’s no reason to believe both were not communicated (and no reason to believe anything was communicated). We don’t know. The timeline is unclear (but it’s in minutes). But, again, it’s a tough call to shoot a kid in the head if you just suspect they have a gun (assuming you have a clear angle and can identify a weapon)\*\*. You’d really need to know how many times they get “suspected person” info chatter at these events. Do you rush Trump/whoever, every time that goes out on the radio? I’ve seen pictures of the building and it has a built on ladder at the “back” (opposite side of the Stage). I can’t confirm it’s authentic. Anyone confirm that/see that picture? It would put the ladder/cop at the back of the building is all. \*\*_I’m basing this off of reading about other “incidents” were secret service were about to shoot people who were other cops/normal people/not threats at all_. ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/652 "2024-07-15T21:37:22Z")
I am no ballistics expert, so if there is anyone, can they help me here? I’m trying to figure out how good of a shot the shooter took. I know, he literally hit his target in the head, but was that what he was aiming at? Upthread, there was a post indicating the shooter was a member of a gun club with a 200 yard range. So, let’s assume he practiced there and had his rifle sighted for a 200 yard shot. Now, the actual shot was only 125 yards, or so. That would make the bullet rise, correct? (that is, the shot would be higher than the sights predicted) Add to that, he was aiming downward, which would also make the shot go high. Just a guess, but say the roof was 50 feet off the ground and Trump’s head was 10 (stage height plus Trump’s height). That’s a drop of 40 feet. Now, one might expect the shooter to be aiming for the center of mass of the victim. OK, he was not a pro with pro training, so more likely mid-chest, or about one foot below where he hit the target. Let’s ignore the possibility of body armor since we are talking late afternoon in southern PA in July and a 78 year-old man. I suspect body armor capable of stopping a rifle shot would be too hot, not to mention it is obvious that he wasn’t from the video evidence. My question is would being 75 yards closer and 40 feet above what you were sighted-in for result in the shot being 1-1.5 feet higher than where it was aimed? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162.md?page=33)