# Trump bloody after shots fired at a Trump Rally: Jul 13, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 13, 2024, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162 "2024-07-13T22:13:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/713 "2024-07-16T19:22:37Z")
Yeah, I would certainly hope so. Even outdoor weddings I go to often have drone videography (for cinematic, not security reasons, of course.) ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/714 "2024-07-16T19:27:58Z")
It might be easier to forbid all drones rather than trying to distinguish between official and unofficial. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/715 "2024-07-16T19:33:56Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I’m wondering if there was anybody on the water tower ledge behind the buildings. True, but a typical water tower (as this one appears to be) is about 120 feet tall, and generally accessible only by a ladder. Long way to climb, especially if carrying a weapon and/or surveillance equipment. Plus, the ladder doesn’t go all the way to the ground, which would necessitate another ladder just to reach the first rung. Google Maps Street View, which shows the water tower. https://www.google.com/maps/embed?pb=%213m2%212sen%214v0%216m8%211m7%211s8p75Mo7MgLh7XpgdY3UlnQ%212m2%211d40.8587397%212d-79.9698624%213f90.1%214f9.311%215f0.176 ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/716 "2024-07-16T19:36:28Z")
[Breaking down an AR-15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv11ZA4NAjU) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/717 "2024-07-16T19:37:46Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > True, but a typical water tower (as this one appears to be) is about 120 feet tall, and generally accessible only by a ladder. Agreed but this is a high profile security event. Something they should easily be able to handle ahead of time. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/718 "2024-07-16T19:44:51Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Something they should easily be able to handle ahead of time. Perhaps. Not terribly easily, but perhaps. I agree with what others have said. A couple of drones would be much better. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/719 "2024-07-16T19:46:24Z")
Moderating: > [@Magiver](#): > > Breaking down an AR-15 > [@Magiver](#): > > Agreed but this is a high profile security event. Something they should easily be able to handle ahead of time. This whole tangential discussion about what gun and what should have happened and how things could have unfolded differently is a hijack. It’s gone on for two days and over many, many posts. @Magiver, you are far from the only person participating in it, but you are very much a driving factor. Take this entire discussion elsewhere. _It has nothing to do with what **actually** happened, and that’s what breaking news threads are for._ * * * To all: Going forward, warnings will issue for those who seem unable to understand when they are hijacking a thread and have disregarded earlier mod notes. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/720 "2024-07-16T20:43:44Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I keep going wobbly when I think what the world would have seen had Trump taken that bullet right to the face. I’m not talking about politics, I’m just talking about the disgusting carnage that would be splashed all over every web site on the planet from twelve different angles It would make the Zapruder film look like nothing. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/721 "2024-07-16T21:10:13Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Cue Gus adjusting his ladder sights **waaay** up… Then there’s Quigley’s bucket shot at an estimated 782 yards. > **Rifle porn** > > [This text will be hidden](https://youtu.be/kLP1s0IeIWw?t=5) ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/722 "2024-07-16T22:07:47Z")
> [@Folly](#): > > It might be easier to forbid all drones rather than trying to distinguish between official and unofficial. You just have to watch a couple videos of murder robots in Ukraine to realize you want to either have infallible control of everything in the air or have nothing in the air. I don’t know what the anti-drone capabilities of the SS are but I’m assuming it’s extensive. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/723 "2024-07-16T23:33:02Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > There probably was. And I suspect they could hear him on the metal roof. At the point when he returned with the backpack he should have been detained. At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if we find out that one of the SS agents was actually holding the ladder steady for him as he climbed up on the roof. Speaking of the ladder, has it been determined how it got it to the site? I saw that they traced his purchase of the ladder to a Home Depot the day before, but I haven’t heard mention of how he got it onsite. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/724 "2024-07-16T23:39:36Z")
Has anybody reported how close his car was parked to that building? ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/725 "2024-07-17T01:13:34Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > From the news reports, Trump wasn’t hit directly by a bullet, but by a glass fragment? Can you cite which news reports said that? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/726 "2024-07-17T01:14:09Z")
I think I was citing the earliest ones that came out just hours after the shooting. It may have been corrected, if it was indeed a bullet and not glass. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/727 "2024-07-17T02:06:21Z")
for those who want a birds eye view here is a [Bing Map link](https://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=40.857504%7E-79.970682&scene=28440628&lvl=18.5&sty=b&style=g&dir=90.1) You can zoom out to get a bigger view but the 3 buildings on the right are the ones behind the bleachers. There would have been snipers on the left and right building. To the left is the building roof the shooter was on… ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/728 "2024-07-17T02:40:46Z")
[Here’s a view of the building he was on](https://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=40.858281%7E-79.970495&scene=28440628&lvl=18.9&sty=b&style=g&dir=90.1). The grandstand would be to the right if you zoom out. If he parked his car in the parking lot next to the building there are evergreens blocking the view of the gap between buildings. If that is his entry point then it was hidden from view. He could have staged the ladder the day before and nobody would have noticed it. There is no ladder on the side where people are pointing at the shooter so the parking lot side is the likely location. This is conjecture at this point but the videos show an officer walking away from the people pointing up. Also, the news said the police were first suspicious of the gunman when he was walking back and forth in front of the metal detector. That was 30 minutes before shots were fired. ---
**Author:** ![Steven\_Maven](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steven_maven/32/3272_2.png) [@Steven\_Maven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steven_Maven)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/729 "2024-07-17T03:19:42Z")
> [@Ellecram](#): > > None of the major news stations seem to be reporting this. Are you BLIND? Non-stop, wall-to-wall coverage on EVERY channel, both news & entertainment. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/730 "2024-07-17T03:23:19Z")
They wrote that less than half an hour after the event. ---
**Author:** ![Ellecram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellecram/32/18948_2.png) [@Ellecram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellecram)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/731 "2024-07-17T03:39:30Z")
I live in the local Butler, PA area and someone called me a few minutes after it happened. For a few minutes there was no reporting at all on the internet. I was scanning he internet while I was on the phone and it took several minutes for the reporting to start. I am not blind. In the rural area I live this kind of news spreads faster than the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/732 "2024-07-17T03:45:31Z")
This is a link to a reddit post so that may be a problem for some people Video that shows just how close Trump came to dying [https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/4L1xVC0lpj](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/4L1xVC0lpj) Watch how one small movement changed history [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162.md?page=37)