# Trump bloody after shots fired at a Trump Rally: Jul 13, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 13, 2024, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162 "2024-07-13T22:13:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/813 "2024-07-24T01:30:26Z")
> [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](#): > > If they are too descriptive of the codified procedures, how they adapt those to the venue, they run the risk of giving would-be assassins valuable information on how they operate. Which is why you go in already having a script for that kind of response to a question that potentially exposes things you do not want an adversary to know. No need to throw anyone under the bus for show, just make it clear that there are things you cannot just share in the open for the public record. If they are serious about what they are doing, they will accept to go into a closed-door briefing for those things. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/814 "2024-07-24T02:18:24Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > If they are serious about what they are doing Great, now I need to change my pants and get a mop… ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/815 "2024-07-24T13:33:08Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > That precise fact pattern hasn’t happened before, but he’s not the first dual-status protectee. We also had the offspring of a former President who was simultaneously a candidate (and then himself President). Not to mention the spouse of a former President (and a former Secretary of State herself) who was also a candidate. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/816 "2024-07-24T17:26:13Z")
The bullet that zinged Trump’s ear might not have hurt him physically all that much but it looks like the emotional damage has set in. Trump, rather than being his usual defiant self, has decided to change the course of his campaign in response to the shooting: > **[Trump plans to stop holding outdoor rallies after assassination attempt](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-plans-stop-holding-outdoor-044648181.html)** > > Two sources familiar with Trump campaign operations said that the plans are to hold indoor rallies for the foreseeable future. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/817 "2024-07-24T17:31:23Z")
Yes Donald, it’s impossible to be assassinated while indoors. Your Friend, Abe ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/818 "2024-07-24T17:33:34Z")
Might be related to Secret Service having previously said outdoor rallies were a problem. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/819 "2024-07-24T17:54:31Z")
It may be that this finally drove home how he can’t realistically expect unlimitedly ramped up resources just “anywhere”. I bet the campaign and Secret Service had been pulling their hair for some months about places like that PA event but there was always that whole thing of, hey, you have to find a way to make it work. The article does mention that open-air but _contained_ venues like stadiums will still be in consideration. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/820 "2024-07-24T17:55:56Z")
I imagine it’s much easier to secure the entry in an indoor rally - the entry points are easy to secure and you don’t really have to worry about anything outside the building. Or rather, it would be very difficult to get a gun inside the building, and a gun outside the building is not much of a concern. I also imagine it’s much cheaper have outdoor rally’s in a “field” so to speak, and a gun outside the perimeter is still very much a concern. Obviously. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/821 "2024-07-24T18:04:27Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > you don’t really have to worry about anything outside the building. This depends on how resourceful your opponents are: > **[Downing Street mortar attack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_Street_mortar_attack)** > > The Downing Street mortar attack was carried out by the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) on 7 February 1991. The IRA launched three homemade mortar shells at 10 Downing Street, London, the headquarters of the British government, in an attempt to assassinate Prime Minister John Major and his war cabinet, who were meeting to discuss the Gulf War. > One of the 140 pound (64 kg) mortar shells exploded in the back garden of Number 10, a few yards from the Cabinet Office. Due to bomb-resistant... Counter-sniper teams, sure. Counter-artillery? Although I am sure the Secret Service is well familiar with this attack, it seems an order of magnitude harder to prepare for. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/822 "2024-07-24T20:13:45Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > I also imagine it’s much cheaper have outdoor rally’s in a “field” so to speak, Given Trump’s record of stiffing venues he’s campaigned at for the expenses, one would hope any future locations will insist on the money up front before providing their facilities. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/823 "2024-07-24T20:25:11Z")
So if he’s not allowed to hold rallies outdoor because of security issues, and indoor rallies require payment in advance, does that mean, no more rallies? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/824 "2024-07-24T20:30:37Z")
He’ll find someone with a rally venue that he’ll be able to talk into letting him host the rally in exchange for payment later. He always finds idiots who are willing to put up with him. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/825 "2024-07-24T20:34:32Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > So if he’s not allowed to hold rallies outdoor because of security issues, and indoor rallies require payment in advance, does that mean, no more rallies? . Nah, it just means that cities _in addition_ to those already owed money by Trump, will now be owed money by Trump. Of all the things that his fans give him a pass for—and there are too many to list—this is the one that always surprises me most. The number of merchants and craftspeople and municipalities and others stiffed by Trump is huge. How do his fans talk themselves into believing that this is what a Good and Noble and Godly person does? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/826 "2024-07-24T20:37:07Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > How do his fans talk themselves into believing that this is what a Good and Noble and Godly person does? I’m not sure they think he is good, noble or godly. They just love his attitude. “Fuck the world, only I can fix things, I’m here for you.” ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/827 "2024-07-24T20:42:12Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > They just love his attitude. “Fuck the world, only I can fix things, I’m here for you.” . I agree that a large proportion of his cult members are there for the resentment and vicarious “retribution.” But another large proportion are there for the Biblical Prophecy aspect–they genuinely believe he is God’s Chosen. Those are the ones I’d think would have a bit of a problem if they ever allowed themselves to think about his habit of stiffing contractors, etc. Of course the answer likely is that they do NOT allow themselves to think about it. And with our siloed media, they are able to avoid the awkwardness of being confronted with the topic. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/828 "2024-07-24T21:05:01Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > How do his fans talk themselves into believing that this is what a Good and Noble and Godly person does? A lot of them don’t, but they feel the Democratic candidate (whoever the D is) is even less so. It’s not about the candidate’s behavior, but about the results that he or she will deliver for them. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/829 "2024-07-24T22:54:03Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I’m not sure they think he is good, noble or godly. My Trump cultist friend (the female one) ~~thinks~~ _believes_ he is. EDIT: Posted before I saw this: > [@Sherrerd](#): > > But another large proportion are there for the Biblical Prophecy aspect–they genuinely believe he is God’s Chosen. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2024, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/830 "2024-07-25T17:45:32Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > A lot of them don’t, but they feel the Democratic candidate (whoever the D is) is even less so. It’s not about the candidate’s behavior, but about the results that he or she will deliver for them. True enough, probably for the majority of the MAGAs. They don’t care anything about Trump being a deadbeat, any more than they care about him being an assaulter of women (and serial cheater), because he’s going to stick it to all the people they resent and hate. Even so, it must require a certain amount of doublethink effort, to ignore the clear signs that Trump is someone you would _never_ want to be associated with in their personal lives. I often wonder how long they can keep up that mental effort. > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > My Trump cultist friend (the female one) ~~thinks~~ _believes_ he is. No doubt there’s some overlap between the pure ‘he’ll stick it to the people who’ve disrespected me’ position and the ‘He is Our Lord’ position. In either case, no sane person would want to inhabit any of those brains. Cray-cray city. Back to Trump Bloody, though: in the Secret Service-head hearings, someone asked if the bullet that had—we are assuming—hit Trump had been recovered. No answer, of course (she answered basically NO questions). As far as I know we have NOT had it confirmed that whatever it was that impacted Trump’s ear was a bullet, much less one from Crooks’s weapon. It would be nice to know, one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2024, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/831 "2024-07-25T18:00:35Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > As far as I know we have NOT had it confirmed that whatever it was that impacted Trump’s ear was a bullet, much less one from Crooks’s weapon. > > It would be nice to know, one way or the other. I posted this in The BBQ Pit: > [@A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 2)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7022): > > [**FBI Is Not Fully Convinced Trump Was Struck by a Bullet**](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/fbi-is-not-fully-convinced-trump-was-struck-by-a-bullet/ar-BB1qA5IT) > > > FBI Director Christopher Wray revealed during a marathon testimony on Wednesday that investigators still do not know if former President Donald Trump was grazed by a bullet or a piece of shrapnel during his attempted assassination. > > > > Twice during the hours-long session, Wray told lawmakers that the FBI was still working to determine what exactly struck the former president on his right ear during a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania. “My understanding is that either it [a bullet] or some shrapnel is what grazed his ear,” Wray told Rep. Kevin Kiley (R-Calif.). ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2024, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/832 "2024-07-25T18:01:49Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I posted this in The BBQ Pit: Ah, thanks. Yeah, my impression was that the facts had not yet been nailed down. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162.md?page=42)