# Trump bloody after shots fired at a Trump Rally: Jul 13, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 13, 2024, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162 "2024-07-13T22:13:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/873 "2024-07-30T18:49:20Z")
Yup. I watched part of the hearing, and the man is coldly furious about what happened. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/874 "2024-07-30T22:12:07Z")
Many of the members of congress want heads to roll, they don’t care who. The acting director wants the proper heads to roll. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/875 "2024-07-31T10:55:31Z")
> [@Eric1](#): > > Director Rowe is testifying today. He said he’s ashamed and angry that no Secret Service were on that roof. It sounds like he’s going to roll someone and rightly so. I read somewhere that there where SS agents in the building. Not sure, but you would think they would be situationally aware enough to at least check the roof like the local PD did. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/876 "2024-07-31T12:40:11Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > Many of the members of congress want heads to roll, they don’t care who. The acting director wants the proper heads to roll Yeah, they sounded like they arrived with their script already set to keep asking why there hasn’t been a purge. In the end made Rowe look better IMO. I did like the part where he reminded them that a candidate/former Prez is not the same thing as the sitting Prez. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/877 "2024-07-31T13:59:35Z")
I believe there was a local Swat sniper team in the building on the second floor behind the AGR building the shooter was on top of. The swat snipers were situated at a window that overlooked the crowd. Here is a view of their location and how close they were to the shooter: [![](https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2024/07/1862/1046/Donald-Trump-Assassination-Attempt-Day-4_08.jpg?ve=1&tl=1) ](https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2024/07/1862/1046/Donald-Trump-Assassination-Attempt-Day-4_08.jpg?ve=1&tl=1) The shooter was on the closest building/bottom of picture. The swat snipers were on the second floor of the “taller” two-story building right behind it. Had the swat snipers leaned out the window and looked to their left, they would have seen the shooter laying on the building in front of them. Basically and very generally, the local swat spotted the would-be shooter about an hour earlier on the ground being suspicious. Took his picture, had a group text amongst themselves about what was going on, alerted “command” of something, and had one swat guy leave the building to go track the would-be shooter on the ground. However, the Swat guy lost track of him and didn’t know he went on the roof. The shooter was not on the roof very long (_from when he climbed up to when he died - but obviously long enough had they known_). Swat never knew he ended up on the roof of the building until he was dead. To give local swat the last word, here is an article from the local sniper/Swat perspective: [Local SWAT team blames Trump assassination attempt on lack of planning, communication](https://abcnews.go.com/US/local-swat-team-blames-trump-assassination-attempt-lack/story?id=112352324): > There was a lack of planning and communication that caused a catastrophic failure in the protection of [Donald Trump](https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/jd-vance). They said they saw the problem coming, and they tried to alert the people in charge and sound the alarm. Late: _I think this is a pretty objective overview of (part) of what happened. I’m not for or against any of it, just passing along the information_. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/878 "2024-08-02T22:53:35Z")
I don’t see anything resembling planning and communication. There should have been a clear delineation of responsibility, a central area of communication between all parties, and someone monitoring this process. The water tower would have held a commanding view of the entire area and could have been fitted with cameras. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/879 "2024-08-03T00:03:03Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > a clear delineation of responsibility, a central area of communication between all parties, and someone monitoring this process Repeatedly we keep seeing these different entities jealously guarding their respective authority – both the locals _and_ the Secret Service. The Secret Service are **not** in a chain of command over local law enforcement, so they both need to be _collaborative_ and the “unified command” needs to be both unified AND a real-time command. Not just a clearinghouse for texts. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/880 "2024-08-03T17:25:57Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > > [@Magiver](#): > > > > a clear delineation of responsibility, a central area of communication between all parties, and someone monitoring this process > > Repeatedly we keep seeing these different entities jealously guarding their respective authority – both the locals _and_ the Secret Service. The Secret Service are **not** in a chain of command over local law enforcement, so they both need to be _collaborative_ and the “unified command” needs to be both unified AND a real-time command. Not just a clearinghouse for texts. I can only go by my experience which is limited. Out of the three presidential visits I took part in only one is at all comparable. I was privy to the radio commutations. The Secret Service was no doubt in charge of everything including those of us who were local and on the detail. They ordered us to do things that they noticed but were out of their perimeter. All of that was ironed out during their site visit the week before. I don’t know what the breakdown was here or the reason. I don’t know if the contingent was much smaller because it was a former president and candidate rather than a sitting president. I do know they what right looks like and it should be routine. I was riding with an agent the entire time. He was not on the presidential detail. He told me anytime the president was in the New York area all the agents there would get pulled off whatever the were doing to help out. It was annoying for them because they had counterfeiting cases to work on and the president visited the area relatively frequently. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2024, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/881 "2024-08-04T00:42:57Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I’m starting the SSS-the Supermodel Secret Service.” Following in the footsteps of Qaddafi…sounds about right. > **[Gaddafi's Amazonian Guard, the Revolutionary Nuns - Haris al-Has - Insight...](https://insightintelligence.com.au/gaddafis-amazonian-guard-the-revolutionary-nuns-haris-al-has/)** > > Gaddafi’s Amazons: Strict training, no sex Muammar Gaddafi’s female bodyguards were known as the Revolutionary nuns. In Europe, they were known as Amazons, and in North Africa, they were known as Haris al-Has. Their aim was to protect Libya’s leader... (Yes, I know they were abused. Yes, I understand why it’s not funny. No, I meant no offense. Just what came to mind, is all) > **[Gaddafi ‘raped’ his female bodyguards](https://www.timesofmalta.com/article/Gaddafi-raped-his-female-bodyguards.382085)** > > ‘She refused his advances and he raped her’ ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2024, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/882 "2024-08-04T16:17:09Z")
At least one person thinks that the Chinese had a hand in the attempted assassination. I certainly don’t, but it’s obviously going to become another magnet for delusional people. > **[Chinese citizen pleads not guilty to trespassing at Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club...](https://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/story/news/crime/2024/08/02/chinese-man-pleads-not-guilty-to-trespassing-at-trumps-mar-a-lago/74650172007/)** > > The man, a Chinese citizen who lives in California, told the Secret Service that China was tied to the July 13 attempted assassination, police said. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/883 "2024-08-08T19:11:27Z")
trump is giving a presser at mar a lago right now. i don’t see any damage to his ear. i have no clue as to why there was a big bandage on it. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/884 "2024-08-08T20:33:56Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > trump is giving a presser at mar a lago right now. i don’t see any damage to his ear. i have no clue as to why there was a big bandage on it.- It was already healed more than a week ago. I think we have a good guess why there was such a big bandage on it. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/885 "2024-08-08T21:16:08Z")
White badge of cowardice? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/886 "2024-08-08T21:58:09Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > I think we have a good guess why there was such a big bandage on it. If we think about the fact that Trump genuinely and sincerely believes that the larger the bandage, the larger other things are—and we reflect that he has millions of fans—then we can _fully_ comprehend the fact that if 100 is the average U.S. IQ, that means that half of Americans have IQs under 100. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/887 "2024-08-09T03:13:35Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > I think we have a good guess why there was such a big bandage on it. Fear of the man from Nantucket? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/888 "2024-08-09T03:43:26Z")
I thought he was local - from Butler. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/889 "2024-08-09T04:21:24Z")
The shooter was a semi-local, not from Butler but Bethel Park, some 40 miles away. He was dead at that point, so Individual-ONE would not be wearing a pad on his ear for fear of that guy. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/890 "2024-08-09T15:14:06Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > It was already healed more than a week ago. Is he part starfish? Can he regenerate body parts? Or was there some bigly exaggeration and lying going on earlier? > **[Donald Trump's personal doctor reveals a full chunk of his ear was blown...](https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/us-news/presidential-election/2024/07/17/669743f6ca4741e60f8b4574.html)** > > The image of former president Donald Trump walking on the GOP convention on Monday after he survived an assasination attempt will live in people's memories for a long time. Not mor > It was a clean shot that blew the former president’s right ear partially off, at least the upper part of it. The one who confirmed wwhat happened after the injury was **Dr. Ronny Jackson** , who was the **White House** physician under the Trump presidency. Imma vote for lying. > AP photo taken July 27th, two weeks after the shooting. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/891 "2024-08-09T15:57:42Z")
Does it matter? He was shot at and was actively bleeding at the time. Yes a small scratch on an ear or scalp can bleed like hell. But a bullet still came millimeters away from blowing his brains out. He didn’t make that up. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162/892 "2024-08-09T16:09:09Z")
^This. Not a fight we even want to get into, better to just let him have this one. Most people have actually forgotten about or don’t care about other this than his supporters. Don’t add fuel to this by pointing out the lack of damage, he was shot at and people died. Now move on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-bloody-after-shots-fired-at-a-trump-rally-jul-13-2024/1004162.md?page=45)