# Trump calls Barack Obama the "founder of ISIS." **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 11, 2016, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423 "2016-08-11T07:00:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/96bed5/32.png) [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/121 "2016-08-12T17:01:10Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Sarcasm is a way to get a point across, so what point was he supposedly trying to get across with this “sarcasm”? We’ll have to wait for Trump’s interpreter, Rudi Giuliani, to explain that to us. Ow wait - [he already agreed with Trump](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rudy-giuliani-obama-isis_us_57ac70b0e4b0db3be07d476f) that Obama is the founder of ISIS. Maybe he meant that he agrees with Trump’s sarcasm? I’m so confused. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/122 "2016-08-12T17:49:55Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Along with the buffalo, if we do the right dance. Hey, if you do the right dance, all the White people will be gone from North America and the old ways will return. The pre-horse old ways, to be precise. Now, wear this shirt. It is completely bullet-proof. ---
**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/123 "2016-08-12T19:26:54Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > This is absolutely correct. I saw a post my dad (a hardcore right-wing Fox News Republican) made on a Facebook post yesterday. He said “I could never vote for someone who believes the slaughter of babies is okay.” He’s not alone in thinking this. > > Forget any other issue, they will only vote for someone who outwardly states he or she wants to make abortion illegal. Forget the fact that in Obama’s presidency, abortion rates have dropped to their lowest rate since 1973. Forget the fact that under both Reagan and W, abortion rates actually went up from year to year on two occasions. Forget the fact that since 1980, the number of abortions has gone down in greater numbers under Democratic presidents than it has under Republican presidents. > > Nope. The only thing that matters to some Republican voters are the words that come out of the politician’s mouth-- “I am pro-life.” Those voters don’t care about facts or apparently the actual reduction of abortions. Just electing people who say “I am pro-life.” abortion is mainly a state issue , not federal. in last 10 yrs. , state laws have tightened… lotsa clinics gone … etc. so nationwide stats are irrelevant as far as dem vs repub / potus…etc. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/124 "2016-08-12T19:31:44Z")
> [@leftfield6](#): > > Hey folks, never mind. Trump now let’s us know it was all a misunderstanding. Here is his tweet from this morning. > Ratings challenged @CNN reports so seriously that I call President Obama (and Clinton) “the founder” of ISIS, & MVP. THEY DON’T GET SARCASM? > So see, he wasn’t serious all along. I’ve heard a couple of cable-news people, today, say something to the Trump surrogates that’s quite a good point (and, naturally, none of the surrogates have been able to counter it): _If no one could tell that Trump was “using sarcasm” when he said Obama and Hillary were the founders of ISIS, then how will anyone be able to tell if Trump is “using sarcasm” when he promises to bring back jobs, or to keep us safe, or to Make America Great Again?_ ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/125 "2016-08-12T19:37:52Z")
Sarcasm : : the use of words that mean the **opposite of what you really want to say** especially in order to insult someone, to show irritation, or to be funny Way to go Donny! So in other words, Obama did the opposite of founding ISIS and you agree that he is trying to destroy it. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/126 "2016-08-12T19:52:49Z")
> [@john\_L](#): > > abortion is mainly a state issue , not federal. > in last 10 yrs. , state laws have tightened… lotsa clinics gone … etc. > so nationwide stats are irrelevant as far as dem vs repub / potus…etc. So why vote for the presidential nominee who says he’s “pro-life?” Why vote for the Congressperson or Senator who says their “pro-life?” If it’s not federal, why would someone base their entire vote for president on someone who claims to be “pro-life?” There are also other factors that reduce abortion numbers-- access to birth control and healthcare and overall economic conditions-- and those have been better under Dems. If people are better equipped to either 1) Prevent pregnancy, 2) Have access to pre-natal care and 3) Find themselves in a decent financial situation, you see abortion numbers go down. Thanks Obama and Clinton! And incidentally, can you please at least make an attempt to put together a coherent sentence? ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/127 "2016-08-12T20:05:17Z")
Trump has now clarified that he was being [sarcastic, but actually not all that sarcastic](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-explains-calling-obama-founder-isis-sarcasm/story?id=41326238). So that should clear up everything. ---
**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/128 "2016-08-12T20:19:18Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > So why vote for the presidential nominee who says he’s “pro-life?” Why vote for the Congressperson or Senator who says their “pro-life?” If it’s not federal, why would someone base their entire vote for president on someone who claims to be “pro-life?” > > There are also other factors that reduce abortion numbers-- access to birth control and healthcare and overall economic conditions-- and those have been better under Dems. If people are better equipped to either 1) Prevent pregnancy, 2) Have access to pre-natal care and 3) Find themselves in a decent financial situation, you see abortion numbers go down. Thanks Obama and Clinton! > > And incidentally, can you please at least make an attempt to put together a coherent sentence? most folks who vote strictly on abortion issue , do so because they’re either pro-life or pro-choice… not because of stats. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/129 "2016-08-12T21:51:33Z")
> [@john\_L](#): > > most folks who vote strictly on abortion issue , do so because they’re either pro-life > or pro-choice… not because of stats. So pro-lifers care more about words than the actual results. I guess they don’t really care about dead babies after all. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/130 "2016-08-12T22:25:26Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > This is another blatant lie from Trump. In fact I founded ISIS. I didn’t mean to, but you know, everyone makes a mistake or two in their life. 😃 I’m Spartacus! ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/131 "2016-08-13T00:20:46Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > So pro-lifers care more about words than the actual results. I guess they don’t really care about dead babies after all. Of course not. If they cared they’d be pushing for effective, free, and easy to get birth control. ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Krupe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Leo\_Krupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Krupe)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/132 "2016-08-13T01:19:03Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Of course not. If they cared they’d be pushing for effective, free, and easy to get birth control. But that would encourage women to have more sex, according to their illogic. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/133 "2016-08-13T03:50:34Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Balderdash. Malory Archer founded ISIS. Everyone knows that. I’m Malory Archer and so’s my wife. ---
**Author:** ![Junior\_Spaceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Junior\_Spaceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Junior_Spaceman)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/134 "2016-08-13T04:23:32Z")
Behind the scenes: Trump and his team discussing the news 😛 [Simpsons - I Don't Even Know Anymore - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QrWzsfghA) ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/135 "2016-08-13T04:58:38Z")
[It’s all true. Every word.](http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/08/night-that-obama-and-hillary-founded-isis.html) > [@](#): > > They were down in the kitchen one night eating Popsicles and staring into each other’s eyes when he asked if he could tell her a secret. Hillary laughed and said, “Is it about how you’re really a terrorist?” He looked at her and said, “Yes, actually.” She stopped eating her Popsicle. “Donald Trump was right about you?” He nodded. “About everything.” > > He explained that he had actually been born in Kenya in 1919, and that he was 97 years old. He’d made an American birth certificate out of simple graph paper and aged it with tea bags. (“Honestly, it took me, like, 20 minutes.”) He explained that his parents told him from an early age that he should grow up to become the president of the United States so that he could eventually destroy the country from the inside. > > “Isn’t that the plot of the first season of Homeland?” Hillary asked. Obama nodded. “Kind of. Also a little bit of The Americans.” ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/136 "2016-08-13T05:17:50Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Looks like someone sat Donny Two-Times down and explained to him what the word “literal” means. Now if someone could just explain sarcasm to him. Somehow it got through his thick mental armour that he’d made a mis-step which was causing people to turn away. He couldn’t bring himself to withdraw his comment or walk it back or go for the “I was joking” gambit because they all sound pissweak. So he went for “I was being sarcastic” because his base know only that sarcasm is sassy not weak, and means you don’t mean what you are saying. The fact that sarcasm involves saying the opposite of what you mean to make a point - such that Trump was (if being sarcastic) pointedly implying it was crazy to suggest Obama founded ISIS - is a step too subtle for his fans to understand. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/137 "2016-08-13T05:55:12Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > [It’s all true. Every word.](http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/08/night-that-obama-and-hillary-founded-isis.html) That was rather beautiful. > [@](#): > > “Isis?” > > “No, ISIS. All caps.” ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/138 "2016-08-13T06:09:52Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > And so they will vote for someone who comes from an inherited position of wealth and power, who promises to “trickle down” a little bit of wealth to them. > > And this is why these people are stupid. They’re being pandered to in most obvious ways, and are too dim to see it. QFT > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Trump is _insinuating_ nothing. He is directly stating that Obama created ISIS in order to “get out of Iraq”. Trump is being very explicit here, and has stated that Obama created ISIS. Full stop. Not metaphorically, he’s not making an insinuation, he’s not saying that Obama created the conditions for ISIS to flourish. Trump is stating directly that Obama was a creator and founder of a terrorist enemy of the United States. > > Trump is just one step away from asserting that Obama is one of the Lizard people who are in league with the lunar mole-men, and is plotting to steal all of our women. Right, exactly. I heard an expert on ISIS go on NPR and say it was unfair to lay the blame for ISIS at Obama’s, and especially Hillary’s, feet, because many other factors, blah blah blah. :smack: Does even this guy not know what the word “founder” means? FFS! ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/139 "2016-08-13T13:59:28Z")
> [@Leo\_Krupe](#): > > But that would encourage women to have more sex, according to their illogic. Actually, it would reward the sluts instead of punishing them. _That’s_ the _real_ unforgivable sin: Women slutting around without facing the consequences. They can’t do much to make syphilis a major deterrent again, but they can falsely demonize the HPV vaccine (HPV, which is mostly sexually-transmitted, causes various cancers, notably cervical cancer in females and oral cancer in males) and they can get on the cross about abortion while tying abortion to birth control and contraception in general. End result? You can’t have sex without getting pregnant and risking HPV. Add in a heaping helping of demonizing effective sex ed with the fairy-dust-and-bullshit “you shouldn’t be doing it anyway” abstinence-only fake sex ed and you have as many people as possible who literally cannot use sex for amusement. It’s procreation with a risk of disease or nothing. The fact this aligns with the Ritual Purity Laws subset of Christianity is why this insanity is so easy to sell to organizations like the Southern Baptists, and now you have a full-blown culture war going on. When Trump proposed punishments for women who got abortions, he was just saying outright what the Mainstream Conservative Republicans want to remain subtext. Speaking the subtext, aka failing to dog-whistle, was his only sin in the eyes of the GOP establishment. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/140 "2016-08-13T15:27:19Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Sarcasm is a way to get a point across, so what point was he supposedly trying to get across with this “sarcasm”? It wasn’t sarcasm; it was just another _Trump l’oeil_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423.md?page=8)