# Trump calls Barack Obama the "founder of ISIS." **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 11, 2016, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423 "2016-08-11T07:00:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/141 "2016-08-13T15:47:16Z")
> [@john\_L](#): > > abortion is mainly a state issue , not federal. > in last 10 yrs. , state laws have tightened… lotsa clinics gone … etc. > so nationwide stats are irrelevant as far as dem vs repub / potus…etc. Nonsense. No state can make abortion illegal because of federal action by the SCOTUS. There are lots of things that states can do to chip around the margins, but there is no way to stop abortions in the US at the state level. Even getting rid of _Roe_ would not stop most abortions in the US, as most states would still allow it. We’d need a new SCOTUS ruling giving “personhood” status to fertilized human ova followed by law making abortion illegal, or a constitutional amendment to outlaw abortion. ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Krupe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Leo\_Krupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Krupe)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/142 "2016-08-13T15:49:09Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I’ve heard a couple of cable-news people, today, say something to the Trump surrogates that’s quite a good point (and, naturally, none of the surrogates have been able to counter it): > > _If no one could tell that Trump was “using sarcasm” when he said Obama and Hillary were the founders of ISIS, then how will anyone be able to tell if Trump is “using sarcasm” when he promises to bring back jobs, or to keep us safe, or to Make America Great Again?_ This is why I honestly think that Trump’s ego got him into this, and I honestly don’t think he expected to become the nominee. Not that he wanted to dally into politics just to increase his brand (although I’ve no doubt that’s part of it), but it’s like the Four Yorkshiremen sketch, and someone says “Prove it!” when the claim about living in a hole with a piece of twig comes up. In another thread, **CarnalK** said > [@](#): > > I am a little tired of this theory . I don’t know how serious he is/was about this whole thing but there just is no way it was a stunt to push his brand. If that was his objective he would never have been so divisive. He could easily have gone off on the “rigged system”, “they’re giving away our jobs” and “Make America Great Again” without all the Mexican/Muslim/etc shit. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19549759&postcount=26](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19549759&postcount=26) and there’s a point there. It’s obvious (as another poster said) Trump’s out of his depth. But there is the possibility, however slim, that he began all this simply as an attention whore, and the game got away from him, and now he’s in too deep to quit. I maintain that for better or worse, the GOP got exactly what they wanted all these years: someone from the outside, who won’t pander to special interests, who’ll stand up _for_ “them” (i.e., disaffected white middle-aged, middle class voters), and stand up _against_ “them” (i.e., minorities who come in and take our best jobs). This is a classic example of being careful of what you wish for. For both the GOP as a whole, and for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/143 "2016-08-13T15:54:03Z")
If you start with the assumption that Trump doesn’t really want to be president, then everything that happens makes a lot more sense. ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Krupe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Leo\_Krupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Krupe)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/144 "2016-08-13T15:59:32Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > If you start with the assumption that Trump doesn’t really want to be president, then everything that happens makes a lot more sense. Is there any objective evidence that he truly _does_ want to be president? I may be wrong, but I don’t see any. ETA: That’s not a dig at **John Mace** , by the way. Just to be clear. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/145 "2016-08-13T16:06:33Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > It wasn’t sarcasm; it was just another _Trump l’oeil_. ::Applause:: ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/146 "2016-08-13T16:13:08Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > ::Applause:: ::bows:: ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/147 "2016-08-13T16:16:36Z")
Ok. I’ll be the rube. I don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/148 "2016-08-13T16:24:12Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Nonsense. No state can make abortion illegal because of federal action by the SCOTUS. There are lots of things that states can do to chip around the margins, but there is no way to stop abortions in the US at the state level. > > Even getting rid of _Roe_ would not stop most abortions in the US, as most states would still allow it. We’d need a new SCOTUS ruling giving “personhood” status to fertilized human ova followed by law making abortion illegal, or a constitutional amendment to outlaw abortion. Your second point is true, but some states have so limited abortion, that they have _almost_ effectively banned it. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/149 "2016-08-13T16:26:07Z")
_Trompe l’oeil_ (French: “fools the eye”) is a style of painting that plays with perspective to make the viewer think they are seeing a real object rather than a painted image. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/150 "2016-08-13T16:27:18Z")
> **[Trompe-l'œil](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trompe-l%27%C5%93il)** > > Trompe-l'œil (French for 'deceive the eye'; /trɒmpˈlɔɪ/ tromp-LOY; French: \[tʁɔ̃.p‿lœj\] (listen)) is an artistic term for the highly realistic optical illusion of three-dimensional space and objects on a two-dimensional surface. Trompe l'œil, which is most often associated with painting, tricks the viewer into perceiving painted objects or spaces as real. Forced perspective is a related illusion in architecture. > The phrase, which can also be spelled without the hyphen and ligature in English as ... ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/151 "2016-08-13T16:28:21Z")
Trump does not want to be president, and doesn’t plan on actually doing much if he wins. That’s why he was offering the “most powerful vicepresidency in history”. He DOES want to win though, because in his mind winning is everything. He doesn’t want the job, but he sure as hell isn’t going to try to purposely lose. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/152 "2016-08-13T16:33:56Z")
> [@Leo\_Krupe](#): > > Is there any objective evidence that he truly _does_ want to be president? I may be wrong, but I don’t see any. > > ETA: That’s not a dig at **John Mace** , by the way. Just to be clear. If by “objective evidence” you mean someone who purportedly heard Trump say he didn’t actually want to be president, no. I’ve just always been suspicious that he does, and his behavior is much more understandable if we assume he doesn’t. He may want to win the presidency, but that doesn’t mean he wants to be president. That is, do the actual job as opposed to claiming the title. He’s the proverbial dog chasing the car. ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Krupe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Leo\_Krupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Krupe)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/153 "2016-08-13T16:40:33Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > If by “objective evidence” you mean someone who purportedly heard Trump say he didn’t actually want to be president, no. I’ve just always been suspicious that he does, and his behavior is much more understandable if we assume he doesn’t. > > He may want to win the presidency, but that doesn’t mean he wants to be president. That is, do the actual job as opposed to claiming the title. He’s the proverbial dog chasing the car. Agreed on all points here. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/154 "2016-08-13T16:46:54Z")
And by dog, I mean “whiny bitch!” ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/155 "2016-08-13T16:56:41Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Ok. I’ll be the rube. I don’t get it. It’s like Shrimp Louie, but with Trump. ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/156 "2016-08-13T17:08:32Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > This is not something to dismiss with laughter. He is fertilizing fascism on an almost daily basis, pushing the boundaries with so many outrageous lies that people can no longer distinguish between truth and fiction, and erasing the boundaries of what passes for acceptable conduct in American political discourse. This is a genie that is hard to put back in the bottle, particularly when someone sees how successful a political novice has been in utilizing to his advantage. Millions of us, even those of us who abhor his comments, are being conditioned to meet these behaviors with passivity. “Meh, it’s just Trump being a nut again.” Yes, but what we’re now conditioned to accept has changed. A democratic society needs the ability to feel outraged. That is being systematically destroyed on an almost daily basis, and we’re in serious danger because of it. I think you should you send your posts to newspapers b/c this so damn true and very good ! ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/157 "2016-08-13T18:22:34Z")
Trump’s spokesidiot Katrina Pierson, who previously said that Obama/Clinton policies led to Captain Khan’s death in 2004 also wants you to know that [we weren’t in Afghanistan](http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-spox-katrina-pierson-we-werent-in-afghanistan-until-obama-decided-to-go-in/) until Obama invaded it. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/158 "2016-08-13T20:01:02Z")
Sez Trump on Twitter: “I love watching these poor, pathetic people (pundits) on television working so hard and so seriously to try and figure me out. They can’t!” He wants to be elected president, and he’s proud that he can’t be “figured out”. Jesus, I hope this asshole loses by the greatest margin in history. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/159 "2016-08-13T20:04:33Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Sez Trump on Twitter: “I love watching these poor, pathetic people (pundits) on television working so hard and so seriously to try and figure me out. They can’t!” > > He wants to be elected president, and he’s proud that he can’t be “figured out”. > > Jesus, I hope this asshole loses by the greatest margin in history. He might as well just post: “Ha ha! I just spew whatever shit pops into my head, and you people act like it means something! I troll you so hard!” ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423/160 "2016-08-13T20:10:40Z")
Re: the whole “sarcasm” thing - it v reminds me of a child i know. He went through a period of time where he would lie balls faced to you amd when called on it, say something like "I was being SARCASTIC! " i would ask a question, like is your seatbelt buckled? He would say yes. I would look and nope, not buckled. Or I’d ask him if he had brushed his teeth - same thing. Or if he gotten a snack. He grew out of this confusion between sarcasm amd lying; It’s rather too late for Trump. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis/762423.md?page=9)