# Trump calls for Biden to "Resign in Disgrace" **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 16, 2021, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754 "2021-08-16T00:21:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/144 "2021-08-17T18:47:12Z")
If you look at the British Empire 1919-1921, they were stumbling around in, you guessed it, Afghanistan and Mesopotamia (Iraq), though I think they hung around in Iraq until about 1930 or so, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/145 "2021-08-17T18:49:03Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > … had Trump presided over a disaster like this, would you be calling for his resignation over it? I’ll answer. The answer is “no.” I’m in the camp of @Martin_Hyde and others here that, while the past few days seen some sickening events and mistakes clearly were made, this withdrawal is not a “disaster” and certainly not one of the magnitude calling for a president to resign. If it had happened under Trump? Yeah, I probably would have piled on a little harder, because he would have long since destroyed any benefit of doubt. (Plus, he would have blamed everyone but himself, refused to even say magic words of taking responsibility, and denied that any Afghans were killed, injured or left homeless.) But no, I would not have called for his resignation. ETA: What @Jas09 said. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/146 "2021-08-17T18:52:08Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > I will be another liberal that doesn’t believe I would have called from Trump to resign if he presided over this. Honestly, I would never call for any President to resign over anything that wasn’t impeachable (which this clearly isn’t). . > > … Presidents just don’t resign. It’s not part of our political system. If they fail they are to be removed by the legislature or the voters. I appreciate your honesty. I think we really need to look at the past 50 years of US presidential history and ask ourselves honestly how that norm is working out for us. Spoiler: it’s harmful. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/147 "2021-08-17T18:53:19Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > {…} All while you and every other liberal in this thread (except myself) are going to continue squirming like a worm in hot ashes when I ask the very simple and obvious question: had Trump presided over a disaster like this, would you be calling for his resignation over it? Of course you would. You can’t answer “no” because it’s obviously an untenable position, and you dare not answer “yes” because it would reveal your inconsistency vis-a-vis Biden. That’s why you’re going to continue deflecting. I, for one, just want to thank you for both asking and answering your question on, at least, my behalf! Saved me a lot of time! ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/148 "2021-08-17T18:53:28Z")
Like I said, I think Biden should have started a temporary deployment of several thousands troops like a week ago (he realized this and started it a few days ago), it was a mistake not to do so, not a massive mistake. We’ve also basically gotten lucky the Taliban has shown zero willingness to seriously fuck with us. They absolutely could have made a rush for our Embassy and taken American hostages, they could be massacring people trying to get to the airport. Instead they’ve left the diplomatic quarter alone and have inked a deal with us for transporting people to the airport and airlifting them out. Every indication is the Taliban is looking to consolidate control and they understand a shooting battle with us isn’t the way forward at this moment. So some of what has made Biden’s mistake of not sending guys in for 5 or so days too late, is the Taliban aren’t really looking to go after us. But the people saying we should’ve done stuff months and months ago, are wrong for reasons I’ve already laid out. FWIW I was a major critic of Trump, but I never had an issue with him wanting to get us out of Afghanistan. I have always tried to keep abreast of the Afghan conflict using direct sources that the military releases, from my time in the military I actually kind of enjoy reading some of their official reports and analysis. The thing is even those reports were off base, while those reports made me quite sure since about 2016, 2017 or so that things were going south there whenever we left (the military knew back in 2006, but they didn’t release those reports publicly), and I supported Trump’s decision to get us out. I was critical of aspects of it that I feel Trump fucked up–I think pushing Ghani to release 5000 Taliban for, as far as we can see, was no benefit to Afghanistan or America was a colossal mistake and I suspect there’s almost certainly elements of that deal we aren’t privy to, and we should be. But ultimately my assessment of Trump is just like Biden–I agree with what he was trying to do (get us out), I think he made some mistakes in the process. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/149 "2021-08-17T18:54:15Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I, for one, just want to thank you for both asking and answering your question on, at least, my behalf! Saved me a lot of time! There’s that deflection, right as I said. I must be a master hypnotist or something. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/150 "2021-08-17T18:55:31Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > All while you and every other liberal in this thread (except myself) are going to continue squirming like a worm in hot ashes when I ask the very simple and obvious question: had Trump presided over a disaster like this, would you be calling for his resignation over it? Of course you would. You can’t answer “no” because it’s obviously an untenable position, and you dare not answer “yes” because it would reveal your inconsistency vis-a-vis Biden. That’s why you’re going to continue deflecting. Well, since you already know everything everyone thinks and all their motivations… who are you arguing with? And why? 🤨 🙄 Ohhhhh… is that just you patting yourself on the back for being soooooooo very clever? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/151 "2021-08-17T18:56:33Z")
Corruption and having a government that was easily influenced by things like illicit trade probably doomed Afghanistan from the start. Biden didn’t lose this war. Trump didn’t either, but if anything, he put the pro-government alliance in a treacherous position by essentially committing us to withdrawal and giving up leverage. That emboldened the Taliban, who knew they could just sit back and wait. Biden would have caught hell from some but he could have reconsidered the timeline and agreement to withdraw. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/152 "2021-08-17T18:57:05Z")
Yes, I’m deflecting! Maybe if you didn’t dishonestly ask the question in the first place you’d have gotten a better response. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/153 "2021-08-17T18:58:32Z")
Yeah, years from now when things are calmed down and people make sober assessments of how we “could have won”, I think there’s a number of decisions we could have made differently. I’m not really sure victory was ever there, but the way we conducted ourselves was flawed from start to finish. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/154 "2021-08-17T19:16:53Z")
Other than some civilians briefly running onto the airport runway the military evacuation is going very well. The Taliban is exercising such control as is possible over their militias, Afghan civilians and US personnel are being allowed access to the airport. The airport is in operation and flights are arriving and departing. Events are unfolding much as expected. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/155 "2021-08-17T19:29:44Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Talifa Taffeta, darling. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/156 "2021-08-17T19:33:58Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I was critical of aspects of it that I feel Trump fucked up–I think pushing Ghani to release 5000 Taliban for, as far as we can see, was no benefit to Afghanistan or America … > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > … the Taliban has shown zero willingness to seriously fuck with us. I’m quoting you out of order, because I wonder if releasing the prisoners wasn’t the first part of a quid pro quo, with the second part being the not fucking with us on our way out. (And unlike Trump, the Taliban actually sticks to their side of a deal.) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/157 "2021-08-17T19:44:26Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > In your view, does “the buck stops with me” serve any purpose except as a word-saying ceremony? > > If Trump fucked up this badly, would you let him get away with that statement, or would you demand his resignation over it? Are those goalposts really lightweight? Because you seem to move them pretty easily. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/158 "2021-08-17T19:54:32Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > Taffeta, darling. Taffeta, sweetheart. ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/159 "2021-08-17T19:56:55Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > If Trump fucked up this badly, would you let him get away with that statement, or would you demand his resignation over it? If Trump said “the buck stops with me”, I’d probably fall over from shock. The buck didn’t even slow down with Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/160 "2021-08-17T19:57:06Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > All while you and every other liberal in this thread (except myself) are going to continue squirming like a worm in hot ashes when I ask the very simple and obvious question: had Trump presided over a disaster like this, would you be calling for his resignation over it? Of course you would. Probably not. I don’t recall demanding Trump resign for any of his foreign policy disasters. Or domestic failures, for that matter. If you’d asked me, “Should Trump resign?” I’d have said yes, of course, because I really didn’t like him being president, but it wasn’t something I was “calling for.” I supported _impeaching_ Trump both times, but that was because he was committing crimes, not just badly executing foreign policy. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/161 "2021-08-17T19:57:36Z")
> [@DoctorJ](#): > > If Trump said “the buck stops with me”, I’d probably fall over from shock. Unless he’s referring to a literal dollar bill, which he then pockets. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/162 "2021-08-17T20:01:28Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I appreciate your honesty. I think we really need to look at the past 50 years of US presidential history and ask ourselves honestly how that norm is working out for us. Spoiler: it’s harmful. Well, absent a parliamentary system where the head of government is also the head of the ruling party, I don’t really see how it could be otherwise. Who would pressure the head of the executive branch to resign? What kind of standard could ever be applied impartially? How would Presidents act if they knew that they would be called on to resign 3-days into a mission if the pictures on TV look bad enough? I think this knee-jerk reaction stuff is a bit misguided. Let’s see how this all plays out and what the final situation is before we declare this the worst thing since Saigon. Stated American policy, at least when this thing got started 20 years ago, was to remove a regime that was supporting terrorists and capture and/or kill those that masterminded the 9/11 attacks. Those goals were met at least a decade ago. The fact that a repulsive regime will be left in charge is regrettable, but not that different than any number of regimes around the world. I don’t see much call for Americans to go in and overthrow those governments. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754/163 "2021-08-17T20:08:06Z")
Trump did preside over a disaster exactly like this when he abandoned the Kurd’s, calls were made for his resignation, he ignored them. As Biden will. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-calls-for-biden-to-resign-in-disgrace/948754.md?page=9)