# Trump Campaign Chair Busted for Pedophila **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2017, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067 "2017-03-26T08:18:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2017, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067/41 "2017-03-27T00:01:51Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > When they go low, we go high. Stay classy, Democrats. You mean, the strategy that we tried in the election and failed? This is also fucking stupid. You don’t get to say that you don’t value staying high, but then try to hold your opponents to that standard. I mean, did you not notice how we took down Milo Yiannopoulos? His pro-pedophilia stuff wasn’t actually pro-pedophilia, but we used it against him because he is awful, and pedophilia was the only thing that got conservatives to stop supporting him, despite how awful he had been. I keep saying this, and I will keep repeating this. We are at war. Our country is in the most danger it’s been in in at least half a century, if not longer. We can’t afford the luxury of the “moral high ground,” which is nothing more than a rhetorical strategy–one that doesn’t seem to work. It’s just something the Republicans want to use against the Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2017, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067/42 "2017-03-27T00:02:05Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > Also from my cite: > > The GOP platform is inherently anti-gay. To argue otherwise is intellectually dishonest. Pure opinion, and moving the goal post. [Here](https://gop.com/platform/) is the GOP national platform. Please quote the part where they advocate making gays sex illegal. The GOP is definitely anti-SSM, and certainly not pro-gay rights. They are, generally, not pro-actively friendly to gays. But that is different from saying they advocate making gay sex illegal. You, OTOH, have proven yourself to be a complete partisan hack, incapable of debating the other side honestly. Don’t expect any further responses form me on this subject until you quote the part of the GOP national platform that advocates making gay sex illegal. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2017, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067/43 "2017-03-27T00:06:52Z")
> [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > That’s disgusting. So…you’ve been there? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2017, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067/44 "2017-03-27T00:10:04Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Pure opinion, and moving the goal post. [Here](https://gop.com/platform/) is the GOP national platform. Please quote the part where they advocate making gays sex illegal. > > The GOP is definitely anti-SSM, and certainly not pro-gay rights. They are, generally, not pro-actively friendly to gays. But that is different from saying they advocate making gay sex illegal. > > You, OTOH, have proven yourself to be a complete partisan hack, incapable of debating the other side honestly. Don’t expect any further responses form me on this subject until you quote the part of the GOP national platform that advocates making gay sex illegal. And just to be clear… I am not on “the other side” on this issue. But I’m embarrassed to be on the same side as someone who argues as dishonestly as you do. You do our side no favors. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2017, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067/45 "2017-03-27T00:17:28Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Or, you know, the whole thing is correct. > > **Dude was a chair for Trump in Oklahoma. He was arrested for what is legally pedophilia.** > > Seriously, I hate it when the supposed “good guys” mock their own. You’re just adding to the fire. You can acknowledge mistakes without mocking and showing them contempt. The age of consent in Ok. is 16. The kid is 17. How can it be legal and pedophilia at the same time? Of course, real pedophilia is sexual desire for a pre-pubecent. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2017, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067/46 "2017-03-27T01:26:50Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Pure opinion, and moving the goal post. [Here](https://gop.com/platform/) is the GOP national platform. Please quote the part where they advocate making gays sex illegal. What part of the comment you responded to says that you will find that in the official GOP platform? Do you have a cite that demonstrates Ike Witt said that it was written as such in official GOP platform? > [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Which is something the GOP is against, are they not? You’re the one who moved the goalposts with the stupid idea that if they aren’t trying to make gay sex illegal there is no evidence they are against gay sex. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > The GOP is definitely anti-SSM, and certainly not pro-gay rights. They are, generally, not pro-actively friendly to gays. But that is different from saying they advocate making gay sex illegal. As is evident to anyone, especially anyone who read and understood the cites I gave, the anti-gay agenda of the GOP is now evidenced in many other ways since _Lawrence_. it is now illegal to prosecute gay sex so they moved the goalposts like you do to attack same sex marriage, transgender rights, gay rights, and to be generally not ‘friendly to gays’ as you say. Your own words establish Ike’s original point: that the GOP is against gay sex. They are. Anything you’ve used to confuse the discussion by demanding cites as written in the GOP national platform is your own idea of what would constitute proof of ike’s statement. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > And just to be clear… > > I am not on “the other side” on this issue. But I’m embarrassed to be on the same side as someone who argues as dishonestly as you do. You do our side no favors. Mhmm. Yeah, right. Cool story bro. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2017, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067/47 "2017-03-27T01:48:51Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > So…you’ve been there? It’s one of those vile smug little _gotchas !_ some Americans are so fond of. To set a person or business up by making them lawbreakers through one’s own despicable little post-facto trap is… nauseating. And that expresses neither approval nor disapproval of porn; which is a separate issue from this entrapment. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2017, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067/48 "2017-03-27T02:34:59Z")
I agree with you, **Evan**. You just left yourself open for that one. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2017, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067/49 "2017-03-27T05:29:37Z")
Ken Cuccinelli is a republican. He really wanted to make sure the sodomy laws were reinstated. > **[The Frightening Legal Implications of Ken Cuccinelli’s Obsession With Sodomy](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2013/08/ken-cuccinellis-sodomy-obsession-the-frightening-legal-implications-of-the-virginia-politicians-crusade-against-oral-and-anal-sex.html)** > > Ken Cuccinelli, Virginia’s attorney general, has garnered more than his share of national attention over the years, with high-profile legal crusades... ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2017, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067/50 "2017-03-27T06:17:27Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Ken Cuccinelli is a republican. He really wanted to make sure the sodomy laws were reinstated. > > [Ken Cuccinelli’s sodomy obsession: The frightening legal implications of the Virginia politician’s crusade against oral and anal sex.](http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/08/ken_cuccinelli_s_sodomy_obsession_the_frightening_legal_implications_of.html) In a lot of states they don’t even need to be reinstated. [They are still on the books and still being used by police to arrest, jail, and fine people.](http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2016/2/18/did-michigan-really-re-criminalize-sodomy) Sodomy laws are still on the books in Michigan, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, and Alabama. There are a lot of ridiculous, never-enforced state laws on the books in every state but at least some states are still actively enforcing their unconstitutional sodomy laws. > [@](#): > > Michigan is only part of the problem, as these statutes remain an unfortunate scourge for queer people across the United States. Even though the U.S. Supreme Court declared antisodomy laws unconstitutional in the Lawrence v. Texas decision in 2003, about a dozen states still have laws on the books prohibiting anal intercourse, according to the Human Rights Campaign’s latest count. > [@](#): > > Police officers have routinely engaged in the same activity in Louisiana. ThinkProgress reported in 2013 that law enforcement in Baton Rouge had recently apprehended at least a dozen men for agreeing to have gay sex with an undercover cop. “None of these cases have been prosecuted because no crime occurred, but these men are still being arrested, temporarily jailed, and fined merely for agreeing to private sexual activity.” > [@](#): > > Tellingly, a spokeswoman for the Baton Rouge Sheriff’s Office, Casey Rayborn Hicks, argued that as long as the antisodomy law remained intact, officers had to follow it. “This is a law that is currently on the Louisiana books, and the sheriff is charged with enforcing the laws passed by our Louisiana Legislature,” Hicks said in a statement. In 2014 the Louisiana House of Representatives voted to maintain the unconstitutional ban on sodomy by a wide 66-27 margin. Sodomy is “not a Louisiana value,” Gary Mills, president of the right-wing Louisiana Family Forum, told USA Today. > [@](#): > > In November, then-GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee strongly defended states’ constitutional authority to regulate intercourse. “Sodomy is against the law, on the books, this very day, and the Supreme Court has issued a decree and we have states’ rights here, they have no jurisdiction over Iowa,” the onetime Arkansas governor said during a campaign event. It would be a lot more appropriate for John Mace to provide cites to support his ridiculous claim that the GOP doesn’t oppose gay sex. He is the one arguing against what for most is just a basic reality that has been proven over many years in many ways. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2017, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067/51 "2017-03-27T10:29:22Z")
**John Mace** : Ralph Shortey’s biggest embarrassment to his Republican cronies is not that the kid was 17, or that there was money involved, but that the kid was male. It has more to do with homophobia than the legality of gay sex. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2017, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067/52 "2017-03-27T13:12:30Z")
And now the boy’s father has ensured his son has a delightful record for prostitution that will follow him around for the rest of his life and be a recommendation wherever he seeks work. All because he wanted to get Shortey. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067/53 "2017-03-27T14:16:31Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Nope. Your cite does not support that claim. I suspect you didn’t even read it. > > In fact, if you click on the link from your cite to the Texas GOP platform, you’ll find this: > > Emphasis added. They stripped that language out in 2014. Yep, a clear sign that while 4 years ago they loathed and wanted to outlaw homosexuality, but now they are all a-ok with it! ---
**Author:** ![CatandMouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@CatandMouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatandMouse)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067/54 "2017-03-27T16:50:44Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > You’re kidding, right? No probably not. Ever heard of [sodomy laws](https://www.aclu.org/other/why-sodomy-laws-matter)? And don’t forget about the Oklahoma Tea Party candidate who wanted to stone gay people. “I never said I would author legislation to put homosexuals to death, but I didn’t have a problem with it.” > **[Oklahoma Tea Party Candidate Supports Stoning Gay People to Death. Seriously.](https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/06/oklahoma-tea-party-candidate-scott-esk-supports-stoning-gay-people-to-death.html)** > > Given how savagely anti-gay the mainstream Oklahoma Republican party is, it’s no surprise that the state’s Tea Partiers are so rabidly hateful that... ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2017, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067/55 "2017-03-27T16:56:38Z")
I don’t understand how he is being charged with " engaging in child prostitution" if the kid is of the age of consent. Does it mean " minor" in this scenario? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2017, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067/56 "2017-03-27T17:08:56Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > I don’t understand how he is being charged with " engaging in child prostitution" if the kid is of the age of consent. Does it mean " minor" in this scenario? [From here.](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ralph-shortey-republican-senator-child-prostitution-charges-plans-to-resign-oklahoma/) > [@](#): > > The age of consent in Oklahoma is 16, but Oklahoma’s prostitution statute applies to any person under 18 years old. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2017, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067/57 "2017-03-27T17:59:14Z")
> [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > And now the boy’s father has ensured his son has a delightful record for prostitution that will follow him around for the rest of his life and be a recommendation wherever he seeks work. The kid’s identity doesn’t seem to have been disclosed. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2017, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067/58 "2017-03-27T18:08:08Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Or, you know, the whole thing is correct. > > Dude was a chair for Trump in Oklahoma. He was arrested for what is legally pedophilia. > > Seriously, I hate it when the supposed “good guys” mock their own. You’re just adding to the fire. You can acknowledge mistakes without mocking and showing them contempt. How about I mock your claim that there’s such a thing as “legally pedophilia” and he was arrested for it? Can I do that? Because it cries out for mockery. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067/59 "2017-03-27T18:16:39Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > How about I mock your claim that there’s such a thing as “legally pedophilia” and he was arrested for it? Can I do that? Because it cries out for mockery. [points and laughs] 🙂 [/points and laughs] ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2017, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067/60 "2017-03-27T19:16:23Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > The kid’s identity doesn’t seem to have been disclosed. Not publicly. However in my country at least, one has to declare any convictions on many _many_ forms until it is officially expunged. _Records of cautions and minor convictions do not step down and remain on the PNC_ [**[Police National Computer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_National_Computer)** ] _and on enhanced CRB checks \* until the offender’s 100th birthday._ Wikipedia — **[Expungement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expungement)** - Sex offences _always_ have to be declared if one wants to work with children. And other vulnerable people. I would _guess_ **some** American States ( and Canada since both American and Canadian customs can turn a foreigner away for small offences ) have more severe requirements for wiping out the offence. ( And even then there’s gonna be a record _somewhere_, cos if there’s one thing modern governments do best, it’s retaining data. ) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-campaign-chair-busted-for-pedophila/783067.md?page=4)