# Trump caved. Now what? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 26, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463 "2019-01-26T20:44:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463/41 "2019-01-28T03:21:24Z")
Did Trump pick up new (or reinforce existing) support from people who think the federal government _should_ be shut down? Fringe ultra-libertarians and devout states’-rights fans could be a voting block, y’know! ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463/42 "2019-01-28T04:39:23Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Did Trump pick up new (or reinforce existing) support from people who think the federal government _should_ be shut down? Fringe ultra-libertarians and devout states’-rights fans could be a voting block, y’know! But he’ll lose a big chunk of them back when the first good-ole-boy Texan goes on tv about the Feds stealing his land. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463/43 "2019-01-28T04:57:56Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > But he’ll lose a big chunk of them back when the first good-ole-boy Texan goes on tv about the Feds stealing his land. I figure Trump will build (if he builds anything at all) a “pilot wall” on the land of least resistance, probably on a lot the Federal Government already owns. It’ll have to be rushed to get done before November 2020 so he can get his ribbon-cutting photo-op. Failing that, it’ll be to reinforce some existing fencing… anything that he can pose in front of. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463/44 "2019-01-28T05:11:01Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > I have mentioned this before, I wonder … if he were to have an outright confrontation with those influencers, if he were to get on the rally stage and say _“Little Annie and Limburger have never had to run the kind of business or government I run, you know? I have had to deal with tremendous negotiations in the billions, with top companies and world powers, what have they done? They wouldn’t have lasted a week, Nancy would have flattened them both before New Year’s. Believe me.”_ … who would “the base” stand with? idk and I don’t think anyone has the stomach to find that out. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463/45 "2019-01-28T05:17:13Z")
It’d be interesting to watch from a distance, like war in Korea. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463/46 "2019-01-28T05:25:30Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > I have mentioned this before, I wonder … if he were to have an outright confrontation with those influencers, if he were to get on the rally stage and say _“Little Annie and Limburger have never had to run the kind of business or government I run, you know? I have had to deal with tremendous negotiations in the billions, with top companies and world powers, what have they done? They wouldn’t have lasted a week, Nancy would have flattened them both before New Year’s. Believe me.”_ … who would “the base” stand with? The base would stand with him. They’re deeply invested in him, not Ann Coulter. I don’t believe, though, that he’d say anything like the above because to say, “Ha! They wouldn’t have lasted a week against Pelosi!” is to say Pelosi is the superior force, a force so powerful, even the Mighty Trump had to cave before her. He’s not going to want to do that. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463/47 "2019-01-28T05:40:31Z")
[Trump now says](https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/27/politics/trump-skeptical-congress-border-deal/index.html) > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump said he doubts lawmakers will reach a deal over new border wall funding that he would accept and said he will build the wall anyway with emergency powers if necessary, the Wall Street Journal reported on Sunday. He also says the odds are "less than 50-50 and that another shut-down “is certainly an option.” Nor is he likely to consider less than $5.7 billion. “I doubt it. I have to do it right.” He also doubts whether he’d agree to a pathway to citizenship. And > [@](#): > > When asked by the Journal about the kind of barrier he would accept on the southern border, Trump said, “I have to see what it is. As long as it can stop criminals, gangs, human trafficking and drugs, I’m open to anything. But the only thing that will work is a very strong form of physical barrier.” IOW, he’s willing to consider an alternative to a wall as long as it’s a wall. The man is not going to move on. He’s not going to rebound. He’s going to cling to this wall no matter what it costs the GOP in terms of major donors or political capital. Hm. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463/48 "2019-01-28T06:51:03Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > The man is not going to move on. He’s not going to rebound. He’s going to cling to this wall no matter what it costs the GOP in terms of major donors or political capital. What’s he going to do? Threaten to go on strike? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463/49 "2019-01-28T07:12:28Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > What’s he going to do? Threaten to go on strike? I’m a big fan of br’er patches. Whatever you do, President Trump, just don’t go on strike! I don’t want you to have that wall! If you went on strike, why I’d just be forced to give you that wall! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463/50 "2019-01-28T12:56:43Z")
Just FTR, McConnell caved too. That in itself makes a precedent that will no doubt have future effects too. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463/51 "2019-01-28T14:54:43Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > What’s he going to do? Threaten to go on strike? As long as he kept on tweeting, nobody would notice the difference. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463/52 "2019-01-28T15:06:30Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Just FTR, McConnell caved too. That in itself makes a precedent that will no doubt have future effects too. Geez, if only McConnell would go to LIVE in a cave! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463/53 "2019-01-28T15:21:41Z")
Fearless leader of the Never-Trump Republicans has this to say about the “cave”: [Sen. Mitt Romney says Trump called Democrats’ bluff in ending government shutdown](https://www.ksl.com/article/46476111/sen-mitt-romney-says-trump-called-democrats-bluff-in-ending-government-shutdown) > [@](#): > > Sen. Mitt Romney says President Donald Trump called Democrats’ bluff in making a short-term deal to reopen the federal government to work out an agreement to fund border security and avoid another shutdown. > > “This decision to reopen government for three weeks basically says to the Democrats, ‘OK, now put up or shut up,’” the Utah Republican said. > > Democrats have repeatedly called for ending the shutdown so 800,000 federal workers can start collecting paychecks again while congressional leaders and the president negotiate a final agreement. > > “So the president calls their bluff and says, ‘OK, we’ll open government. Now it’s your turn to actually come up with a deal that helps us secure the border,’” Romney said. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463/54 "2019-01-28T15:30:53Z")
“Trump is Ready to Shut Down Government Again Over Border Wall, Says Chief of Staff” > **[Trump is Ready to Shut Down Government Again Over Border Wall, Says Chief of...](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/01/mick-mulvaney-says-trump-ready-to-shut-down-government-again-over-wall.html)** > > The White House is trying to pressure Democrats to seal a deal before Feb. 15. > [@](#): > > A mere two days after the longest government shutdown in U.S. history ended, the White House is making clear that President Donald Trump is ready to do it all over again if he doesn’t get funding for a border wall. “Yeah, actually I think he is,” acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney said on CBS’ Face the Nation when he was asked if the president is willing to shut the government down again. “He is willing to do whatever it takes to secure the border. He does take this very seriously. This is a serious humanitarian and security crisis.” Mulvaney did say that Trump “doesn’t want to shut the government down” and expressed optimism that the “negotiations are far from over.” ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463/55 "2019-01-28T15:31:59Z")
Romney is like the evil friend at the bar telling his drunken idiot buddy with the broken nose “Hey man , I know you had him, why do you go back finish him off right now?” ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463/56 "2019-01-28T15:42:52Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Geez, if only McConnell would go to LIVE in a cave! And there’s no shortage of caves in Kentucky for him to go live in, either! Despite a part of [this cave](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammoth_Cave_National_Park) being given over to tourism, I expect that with \>400 miles of passage, they could find room for him _somewhere_. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463/57 "2019-01-28T15:45:23Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Fearless leader of the Never-Trump Republicans has this to say about the “cave”: > [Sen. Mitt Romney says Trump called Democrats’ bluff in ending government shutdown](https://www.ksl.com/article/46476111/sen-mitt-romney-says-trump-called-democrats-bluff-in-ending-government-shutdown) Good Lord, is the Mittster really that dumb, or is he just trying extra-hard to fit in with the Trump crowd? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463/58 "2019-01-28T15:52:17Z")
All of those saying that this will be the time the Republicans stand up to Trump if he tries to shut down the government again or use Emergency Powers? The “Born Yesterday” queue is right over there. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463/59 "2019-01-28T16:02:04Z")
Any future shutdown would \*start \*with air traffic controllers and TSA agents walking out, and air travel being at best considerably buggered. _That’s_ when these GOP pols started to notice the pressure this time, when it affected them and their patrons personally. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463/60 "2019-01-28T16:12:26Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Fearless leader of the Never-Trump Republicans has this to say about the “cave”: > [Sen. Mitt Romney says Trump called Democrats’ bluff in ending government shutdown](https://www.ksl.com/article/46476111/sen-mitt-romney-says-trump-called-democrats-bluff-in-ending-government-shutdown) So “giving in” is now “calling their bluff”? > [@RTFirefly](#): > > And there’s no shortage of caves in Kentucky for him to go live in, either! > > Despite a part of [this cave](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammoth_Cave_National_Park) being given over to tourism, I expect that with \>400 miles of passage, they could find room for him _somewhere_. 😃 They can drop Mitch off at the entrance with a bottle of water and a pillow and tell him to keep walking until he gets to the end. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-caved-now-what/828463.md?page=4)