# Trump, Chicago, and the "top cop" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 6, 2016, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192 "2016-09-06T16:02:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192/1 "2016-09-06T16:02:00Z")
I’m posting it here because it’s not really an elections topic. The “top cop”, who Trump won’t name, has a rapid cure for Chicago’s crime problem. Short of curfew and martial law, what could cops do do bring about, in one week, the end of violent crime in Chicago? Personally, I don’t understand how Trump keeps people from laughing in his face when he comes up with this shit: “Who was this cop?” “I can’t say.” “What was the plan?” “I didn’t ask.” ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192/2 "2016-09-06T16:23:43Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > I’m posting it here because it’s not really an elections topic. The “top cop”, who Trump won’t name, has a rapid cure for Chicago’s crime problem. Short of curfew and martial law, what could cops do do bring about, in one week, the end of violent crime in Chicago? ONE TRICK for eliminating violent crime in Chicago. Swap city names with a small town in IL. Voila. No more violent crime in Chicago! Lot’s of violent crime in Bently, though. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192/3 "2016-09-06T16:49:16Z")
I truly hope somebody out there has the patience to compile all of Trump’s dumbassery into one contiguous string of out-takes, and posts it for posterity on YouTube, with links going viral on all social media. There ought not be a day in Trump’s asshat of a life when somebody somewhere isn’t reminding him of just how big of a shit-filled orange buffoon he really is. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192/4 "2016-09-06T17:00:01Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I truly hope somebody out there has the patience to compile all of Trump’s dumbassery into one contiguous string of out-takes, and posts it for posterity on YouTube, with links going viral on all social media. The top cop thing, and “I know more about ISIS than the generals” are his greatest hits. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192/5 "2016-09-06T17:32:57Z")
This reminds me of Trump’s secret ISIS defeating plan that he says he’ll implement as soon as he’s in office but until then he’s content to let our troops die so Obama doesn’t get credit for it. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192/6 "2016-09-06T17:57:25Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Short of curfew and martial law, what could cops do do bring about, in one week, the end of violent crime in Chicago? an “end” to it? That’s impossible. Even with curfews and martial law, there’d still be _some_ violent crime. Hell, you could bomb Chicago repeatedly with multiple nuclear bombs, every day for a week, and in some uncollapsed section of the subway, there’d still be a group of survivors trapped in a subway car, and one of those Chicagoans is still liable to assault / rob / rape / murder someone. Could it be reduced drastically (to throw out a number, let’s say 90%)? It doesn’t seem probably to me, at least not while staying within Constitutional boundaries. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192/7 "2016-09-06T18:01:15Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Short of curfew and martial law, what could cops do do bring about, in one week, the end of violent crime in Chicago? Well, legalize everything in Chicago, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192/8 "2016-09-06T21:27:23Z")
I’m not sure which is worse; that Trump made up the story about meeting the top Chicago cop, or the idea that he _did_ meet this cop who said he had a solution to an intractable problem, but Trump was so incurious that he didn’t ask the obvious follow-up question. If you’re going to lie, at least don’t make yourself sound like an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192/9 "2016-09-06T21:34:31Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I’m not sure which is worse; that Trump made up the story about meeting the top Chicago cop, or the idea that he _did_ meet this cop who said he had a solution to an intractable problem, but Trump was so incurious that he didn’t ask the obvious follow-up question. > > If you’re going to lie, at least don’t make yourself sound like an idiot. His idiot supporters won’t know the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192/10 "2016-09-06T22:28:14Z")
It may not be PC to say out loud, but Trump (and his supporters) solution is basically to viciously clamp down on the civil right and human rights in minority neighborhoods. Turn minority neighborhoods into a police state with far less due process, civil rights, human rights, etc. Black neighborhoods were already like this (brutal, unaccountable police and no civil rights) in the 1920s, 1930s, etc. Cops could even kill people and there was no accountability. It didn’t stop crime. It did help create a culture of corruption where bribery flourished, and the truly powerful criminals just bought the cops off. But only minority neighborhoods. When Janet Napolitano said that right wing terror threats were becoming a serious threat, there was outrage from the right for even mentioning that fact. The right will not be calling for a brutal clampdown on human rights among fox news viewers the way they call for that to happen in black or muslim neighborhoods. Point is that, right wingers will not experience the same level of human and civil rights restrictions they want to impact on muslims and blacks. Og forbid. > **[Right-Wing Extremists Are More Threatening Than ISIS](https://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/right-wing-extremists-militants-bigger-threat-america-isis-jihadists-422743.html)** > > Since 2002, right-wing militants have killed more people in the United States than jihadis have. > [@](#): > > They and untold thousands like them are the extremists who hide among us, the right-wing militants who, since 2002, have killed more people in the United States than jihadis have. In that time, according to New America, a Washington think tank, Islamists launched nine attacks that murdered 45, while the right-wing extremists struck 18 times, leaving 48 dead. Basically when blacks or muslims act out or commit crimes, take away their civil and human rights. When right wing conservatives act out or commit crimes, bitch and whine if anyone even mentions it. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192/11 "2016-09-06T22:31:46Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > The top cop thing, and “I know more about ISIS than the generals” are his greatest hits. The first 4 seconds of this clip are good. Even the base of the base of the GOP is standing there thinking 'this can't be real' after Trumps statement. Of course the forced applause soon followed. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192/12 "2016-09-06T22:35:14Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I truly hope somebody out there has the patience to compile all of Trump’s dumbassery into one contiguous string of out-takes, and posts it for posterity on YouTube, with links going viral on all social media. > > There ought not be a day in Trump’s asshat of a life when somebody somewhere isn’t reminding him of just how big of a shit-filled orange buffoon he really is. He will probably lose, but the fact that 50-60 million people will vote for this dangerous, deluded clown is a very bad sign for our democracy. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192/13 "2016-09-06T22:43:04Z")
> [@](#): > > They and untold thousands like them are the extremists who hide among us, the right-wing militants who, since 2002, have killed more people in the United States than jihadis have. In that time, according to New America, a Washington think tank, Islamists launched nine attacks that murdered 45, while the right-wing extremists struck 18 times, leaving 48 dead. In the interest of fighting ignorance, I’m pretty certain this statistic is out of date with the Orlando shooting, which, in Newsweek’s defense, happened after they wrote this article. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192/14 "2016-09-06T23:10:41Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > In the interest of fighting ignorance, I’m pretty certain this statistic is out of date with the Orlando shooting, which, in Newsweek’s defense, happened after they wrote this article. Valid point, it also excluded 9/11 which also would have reallllly skewed the numbers. I did find this part of the article telling. > **[Right-Wing Extremists Are More Threatening Than ISIS](https://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/right-wing-extremists-militants-bigger-threat-america-isis-jihadists-422743.html)** > > Since 2002, right-wing militants have killed more people in the United States than jihadis have. > [@](#): > > “Law enforcement agencies in the United States consider anti-government violent extremists, not radicalized Muslims, to be the most severe threat of political violence that they face,” the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security reported this past June, based on surveys of 382 law enforcement groups. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192/15 "2016-09-07T03:13:02Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Short of curfew and martial law, what could cops do do bring about, in one week, the end of violent crime in Chicago? Curfew wouldn’t do it. Many (most?) of the killings in Chicago are the result of domestic violence. Locking people at home together in a curfew would probably increase domestic violence. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192/16 "2016-09-07T12:51:34Z")
> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > Curfew wouldn’t do it. > > Many (most?) of the killings in Chicago are the result of domestic violence. Locking people at home together in a curfew would probably increase domestic violence. No, most are gang related. Domestic violence here is bad, but gang violence is what’s driving the numbers. Ironically, law enforcement going after the gang leaders, and putting them away may have spiked these murder surges. The vacuum at the top means gang members fighting each other for control. Did anyone mention that Trump said he talked to this top Chicago cop, and _then_ recommended to the city that this top Chicago cop be hired? Trump is the only guy who can’t keep track of the lies he tells **while he’s telling them!!!** ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192/17 "2016-09-08T13:58:53Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > The “top cop”, who Trump won’t name, has a rapid cure for Chicago’s crime problem. Short of curfew and martial law, what could cops do do bring about, in one week, the end of violent crime in Chicago? Is he wanting to avoid _openly_ suggesting the Duterte Solution? ---
**Author:** ![davida03801](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5e925/32.png) [@davida03801](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davida03801)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192/18 "2016-09-08T14:48:41Z")
> [@YogSothoth](#): > > This reminds me of Trump’s secret ISIS defeating plan that he says he’ll implement as soon as he’s in office but until then he’s content to let our troops die so Obama doesn’t get credit for it. So, if Trump tells Obama this plan and Obama refuses to implement it, then your comfortable to say it is Obama who is content to let our troops die ? or Trump tell Obama his plan and Obama then announces it to the world. Now the enemy knows the plan and how to be more effective to counter it, therefore more of our troops die. Your comfortable saying that Obama is the responsible party ? Just curious if so. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192/19 "2016-09-08T15:44:58Z")
> [@davida03801](#): > > So, if Trump tells Obama this plan and Obama refuses to implement it, then your comfortable to say it is Obama who is content to let our troops die ? > or > Trump tell Obama his plan and Obama then announces it to the world. Now the enemy knows the plan and how to be more effective to counter it, therefore more of our troops die. Your comfortable saying that Obama is the responsible party ? > > Just curious if so. Or Trump’s plan is ignorantly terrible. Looking at his other “plans”, this is far more likely than any other result. It won’t stop certain people from crying, though. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192/20 "2016-09-08T16:16:49Z")
The other day, he said that if elected, he would ask the generals for a thirty-day plan to defeat ISIS. Why would he need to ask them for this if he has this brilliant idea he is keeping secret? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-chicago-and-the-top-cop/765192.md?page=2)