# Trump considers those who served in the military "losers" and "suckers" **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 4, 2020, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799 "2020-09-04T12:39:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799/21 "2020-09-04T16:30:07Z")
Other leaders managed to show up at an important war anniversary memorial even though it was raining kind of hard. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799/22 "2020-09-04T16:33:23Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > Other leaders managed to show up at an important war anniversary memorial even though it was raining kind of hard. - [sarcasm] They’re losers and not thinking of themselves first. [/s] ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799/23 "2020-09-04T16:38:34Z")
I suspect Trump’s support among readers of the Atlantic Monthly will drop to near zero from whatever it is now (probably near zero). ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799/24 "2020-09-04T16:42:17Z")
David Frum is an editor of The Atlantic. I respect his brand of conservatism and his disdain for showmanship. Trump has denied the claims, though, so I guess that is that. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799/25 "2020-09-04T17:16:28Z")
> [@Lantern2](#): > > To be honest some of that story pings my BS meter especially the line about the cemetery being full of losers. Your BS meter is probably due for recalibration. This story is almost certainly true. It’s completely consistent with actual, on-the-record remarks that Trump has made about John McCain and Humayun Khan, his own behavior in Vietnam, as well as his complete lack of concern toward Russia paying the Taliban to target American troops. It’s been corroborated by multiple, independent sources and that corroboration has been verified by a legitimate press organ. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lantern2/32/3010_2.png) [@Lantern2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern2)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799/26 "2020-09-04T17:21:42Z")
Trump will always hit back childishly at people who attack him. However calling a whole cemetery of soldiers losers doesn’t ring true to me. Anyway if he did say it I hope the sources have the guts to come out in the open and maximise any negative impact. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799/27 "2020-09-04T17:22:57Z")
Seriously, recalibrate. Doing exactly that is completely on-brand for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799/28 "2020-09-04T17:27:02Z")
I, too, wish that some or all of these sources would come forward and be quoted on the record. But many of them have stars on their shoulders and have seen what happened to the Vindmans. > [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > …his own behavior in Vietnam… _About_ Vietnam, clearly not _in_ Vietnam. Because bone spurs. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799/29 "2020-09-04T17:29:17Z")
But he was busy dodging venereal disease! That was his Vietnam! ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799/30 "2020-09-04T17:29:50Z")
Trump’s relationship to his own military’s command has been abysmal. He can’t seem to get along with generals at all. James Mattis, who everyone I know in the military absolutely thinks the world of, and who I thought was Trump’s ONLY good cabinet choice, is long gone. Countless other generals have found him impossible to work with. And this is something Biden should definitely hit him HARD on in the debates. With that being said, many of my friends and acquaintainces who are veterans absolutely love Trump. But many hate him as well. It seems to break down along enlisted/officer lines. The guys I know who are former boots-on-the ground enlisted guys, like Marine infantry and Army Rangers, think he’s great. The ones who are former officers in highly-skilled specialties, like Naval Aviators, submarine guys, etc, despise him. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799/31 "2020-09-04T17:34:50Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > The guys I know who are former boots-on-the ground enlisted guys, like Marine infantry and Army Rangers, think he’s great. Can you ask them what they think about this latest attack on the military by Trump? And, what they think about shutting down Stars and Stripes? I don’t have any military or ex-military in my circle of friends, and certainly not the array of different types of enlisted and officer types that you have. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799/32 "2020-09-04T17:37:13Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > _About_ Vietnam, clearly not _in_ Vietnam. Yes, of course! Thank you for the correction. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799/33 "2020-09-04T17:38:07Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > Trump’s relationship to his own military’s command has been abysmal. He can’t seem to get along with generals at all. James Mattis, who everyone I know in the military absolutely thinks the world of, and who I thought was Trump’s ONLY good cabinet choice, is long gone… Early on a comedian said, “It tells you a lot about this Cabinet that the most mature person in it has the nickname ‘Mad Dog.’” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799/34 "2020-09-04T17:38:09Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > But many hate him as well. It seems to break down along enlisted/officer lines. The guys I know who are former boots-on-the ground enlisted guys, like Marine infantry and Army Rangers, think he’s great. I don’t understand this. The POW/MIA cause used to be the third rail. Yet slagging on POWs didn’t seem to hurt him. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799/35 "2020-09-04T17:39:48Z")
I SUSPECT they’ll probably say that they just don’t trust the article, because it’s all hearsay from anonymous sources. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799/36 "2020-09-04T17:39:56Z")
The really bad part is how it’s _ **at all** _ credible, that he could have said it (because prior history). Once upon a time it sould have been dismissed as unthinkably absurd that the words would come out of any official’s mouth, it would not have even needed to be disputed, but not any more. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799/37 "2020-09-04T17:41:30Z")
I am often appalled but _never_ surprised by this guy. If he is physically capable of doing or saying something awful, he will. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799/38 "2020-09-04T17:46:55Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > I SUSPECT they’ll probably say that they just don’t trust the article, because it’s all hearsay from anonymous sources. That’s just how things are with Trump supporters. Any wrong things Trump does are lies spread by the fake new media, liberals, anonymous sources, disgruntled former employees, etc. Clearly his base has a large amount of denial and self-delusion going on. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799/39 "2020-09-04T17:51:51Z")
So, in a really weird way, referring to his supporters in the military, Trump is actually correct? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-considers-those-who-served-in-the-military-losers-and-suckers/919799/40 "2020-09-04T17:53:55Z")
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