# Trump defense throwing insurrectionists under bus. What does his base think afterwards? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 12, 2021, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766 "2021-02-12T14:51:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766/101 "2021-02-18T16:28:31Z")
Unless flown at a historical site, it also tells me that you’re quite likely to be a right winger, probably extremist, much more likely than not a racist. There may be some who fly it for aesthetic appeal, that circle formation does have a certain simple beauty. One more- flying the Confederate battle flag tells me that you’re a racist and probably Republican, those those Venn circles are more or less coincident these days. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766/102 "2021-02-18T16:30:55Z")
The logo for Superbowl 50 looked like LIV. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766/103 "2021-02-18T16:49:58Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Flying the Gadsden flag tells me instantly that you’re an asshole. Except that we shouldnt let them co-opt that great historical flag. Or the Betsy Ross flag or the OK sign. Just use them as normal, ignore the assholes use of them. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766/104 "2021-02-18T17:23:32Z")
I think the Nazi swastika symbol and Confederate battle flag are well done as far as the aesthetics go, but their association with vile regimes makes their use in polite circles unthinkable. Unfortunately, whatever the merits of the Gadsden flag, the fact that it’s used predominately by cretins makes the rest of us so reluctant to fly it that it sort of really is the right wing’s flag. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766/105 "2021-02-18T17:54:19Z")
Yes to swastika (unless you have a old Native American blanket or something) and yes to CSA, unless you are a recreationist, but the gadsden flag has a place- however, all by itself it sends a wrong message _sadly._ If I had a Gadsden, Betsey Ross and Current flag- not so bad. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766/106 "2021-02-18T18:11:45Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yes to swastika (unless you have a old Native American blanket or something) Why just Native American? It’s a symbol that’s been in use for centuries, if not millennia, all over the globe. ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766/107 "2021-02-18T18:24:05Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > A standard flag on the porch any day of the year doesn’t tell me anything about who you are, nor does a flag on a small pole in rural settings. I don’t think it’s that simple. I think what used to be considered a normal display of the US flag now conveys mild connotations of Trumpism to many observers (me included). There’s a lot of context, for example what neighbors are displaying, how red or blue the neighborhood is, and what recent events are influencing the social consciousness. In response to the September 11 attacks we hung out a flag we had on hand. But now I’m not even comfortable with a flag folded up in the closet. I’m definitely more cautious when I see a flag flying, unless it’s someplace like a public school or a post office where I expect it to be there without meaning anything political. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766/108 "2021-02-18T18:24:45Z")
Dont get pedantic, we all know that. Here in America the most common place you would find it is on Native American stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766/109 "2021-02-18T18:27:08Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Here in America the most common place you would find it is on Native American stuff. Footnote: [Cecil’s column](https://www.straightdope.com/21341611/was-the-swastika-actually-an-old-native-american-symbol). > [@DrDeth](#): > > Dont get pedantic 😁 😆 😆 🤣 Forgot where you were posting, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766/110 "2021-02-18T21:20:51Z")
> [@Napier](#): > > I’m definitely more cautious when I see a flag flying, unless it’s someplace like a public school or a post office where I expect it to be there without meaning anything political. You would like to think so but . . . I got pissed off at the local postmaster after he refused to lower the flag to half mast after John McCains death. Even after the White House had done so. Thats when I found out what total assholes they really are. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766/111 "2021-02-18T21:44:22Z")
Do you know if it is at half mast today? I saw a few… ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766/112 "2021-02-18T22:20:05Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > You would like to think so but . . . Wow. Turns out, I’m still not cynical enough. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766/113 "2021-02-18T22:31:17Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Do you know if it is at half mast today? > > I saw a few… Nope, but you just had to make go look didn’t you? It’s not. I’m guessing its too cold for his cloven hooves to handle lowering the flag today for Rush. Perhaps he is preparing a burnt offering. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766/114 "2021-02-18T23:27:42Z")
The US flag may not be flown at half-staff for the hell of it. By law it should be flown at half-staff only when the Feds say so. We have a US flag at my definitely non-Trumpist condo and we follow the laws. Here’s a site we use with **[constant updates on half-staffness](https://halfstaff.org/)**. Hint: Limbaugh is not getting halfstaff recognition. ---
**Author:** ![Drum\_God](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drum_god/32/44_2.png) [@Drum\_God](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drum_God)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766/115 "2021-02-18T23:53:24Z")
Actually, that’s Superbowl 55. Superbowl 50 was the Arabic number 50. This year’s Big Game looked like LIV, or 54, in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766/116 "2021-02-19T00:11:04Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Do you know if it is at half mast today? I need filling in-why would it be half-mast today? Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766/117 "2021-02-19T00:20:41Z")
> [@BippityBoppityBoo](#): > > I need filling in-why would it be half-mast today? > > Thank you. Rush Limbaugh’s death. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766/118 "2021-02-19T00:43:25Z")
And its not. There is a whole spectrum of insurrectionist. Some storrm the Capitol, some are passive agressive. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766/119 "2021-02-19T01:26:44Z")
Right you are, my goof. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766/120 "2021-02-19T16:14:10Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > The US flag may not be flown at half-staff for the hell of it. By law it should be flown at half-staff only when the Feds say so. For a govt place of business, sure, but flag code isn’t actually law for private individuals or businesses. And for this post office, they were apparently willing to violate the law for not taking it to half mast for McCain. > [@BippityBoppityBoo](#): > > I need filling in-why would it be half-mast today? As @Colibri says, Limbaugh’s death. On my way in to work, I pass a bunch of businesses, offices, warehouses, and light industrial plants that have flags out front. A couple of them were at half staff yesterday. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-defense-throwing-insurrectionists-under-bus-what-does-his-base-think-afterwards/932766.md?page=7)