# Trump going after McRaven **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 19, 2018, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785 "2018-11-19T12:03:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2018, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785/1 "2018-11-19T12:03:44Z")
Is Donny worried he will run against McRaven? > **[Architect of bin Laden raid: Trump 'threatens the Constitution' when he...](https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/18/politics/donald-trump-william-mcraven/index.html)** > > Retired Adm. William McRaven on Sunday stood by his previous statement that President Donald Trump's attacks on the news media represent "the greatest threat to democracy" after the President dismissed him as a "Hillary Clinton backer" in an... I’m sure the White House is scouring sources to find out if McRaven donated money to Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2018, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785/2 "2018-11-19T12:28:22Z")
Trump would lash out at Jesus and call Satan a “very good person”. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2018, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785/3 "2018-11-19T12:29:18Z")
yes, if Jesus said something negative about Trump ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2018, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785/4 "2018-11-19T12:35:05Z")
He already said a lot of negative things about Trump.🙂 Not by name, but still… ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785/5 "2018-11-19T19:58:21Z")
the guy who killed OBL smacks Trump down [https://twitter.com/mchooyah/status/1064560813497860096](https://twitter.com/mchooyah/status/1064560813497860096) ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785/6 "2018-11-20T03:45:58Z")
Now, the official GOP Twitter account is going after Admiral McRaven. > > [@@GOP via Twitter](#): > > Worth noting after recent comments: Retired Adm. William McRaven was reportedly on Hillary Clinton’s short list for Vice President in 2016. > > He’s been critical of President @realDonaldTrump— even dating back to the 2016 campaign. > > He’s hardly a non-political figure. oh, and by the way, McRaven is fighting leukemia… As a vet, I am disgusted by this. Is anyone still proud to be a Republican? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785/7 "2018-11-20T03:55:13Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Now, the official GOP Twitter account is going after Admiral McRaven. > > [https://twitter.com/gop/status/1064568870613200896](https://twitter.com/gop/status/1064568870613200896) > > oh, and by the way, McRaven is fighting leukemia… > > As a vet, I am disgusted by this. Is anyone still proud to be a Republican? … and of course they fail to mention that [McRaven was also on _Trump’s_ short list for National Security Advisor](https://thehill.com/policy/defense/417472-official-rnc-twitter-account-retired-admiral-who-trump-attacked-is-hardly-a). (The Hill) I think Trump is losing the military vote. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785/8 "2018-11-20T03:59:17Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > oh, and by the way, McRaven is fighting leukemia… And could still kill damn near every one of the GOP members of Congress (and in the White House) with one hand tied behind his back. This is the party that loves the military and our vets? Why, my brothers and sisters in arms, do you still think these people give a shit about you? Vote them out! ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785/9 "2018-11-20T22:34:45Z")
Dan Crenshaw would be the boss he’d lose to in that battle. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785/10 "2018-11-20T22:45:17Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > … I think Trump is losing the military vote. I seriously doubt that. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785/11 "2018-11-20T22:47:45Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > … Why, my brothers and sisters in arms, do you still think these people give a shit about you? Vote them out! This is probably not a great forum for reaching a large audience of veterans. ---
**Author:** ![YamatoTwinkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/cc9497/32.png) [@YamatoTwinkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YamatoTwinkie)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785/12 "2018-11-20T23:07:16Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I seriously doubt that. Active military overall approval/disapproval ratings from October 2018 were 43.8/43.1% (down from 46.1/37% shortly after inauguration). Note that Sec. Mattis has a 83.6/3.8%. I can’t imagine the twitter war with McRaven, or the border deployment to Mexico has helped this much. Trump seems to be most popular with the Marines (65.5% approval), least popular with the Air Force (36.4% approval) > **[Support for Trump is fading among active-duty troops, new poll shows](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2018/10/15/support-for-trump-is-fading-among-active-duty-troops-new-poll-shows/)** > > A new Military Times poll shows that troops today are evenly split in their views about President Trump. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785/13 "2018-11-20T23:09:50Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > …I think Trump is losing the military vote. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I seriously doubt that. Are you sure about that? Military Times: [Support for Trump is fading among active-duty troops, new poll shows](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2018/10/15/support-for-trump-is-fading-among-active-duty-troops-new-poll-shows/) > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > This is probably not a great forum for reaching a large audience of veterans. For what it’s worth, I’m a veteran. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785/14 "2018-11-20T23:13:39Z")
> [@robby](#): > > Are you sure about that? > > Military Times: [Support for Trump is fading among active-duty troops, new poll shows](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2018/10/15/support-for-trump-is-fading-among-active-duty-troops-new-poll-shows/) > For what it’s worth, I’m a veteran. I wouldn’t say “sure” (which is why I said “seriously doubt”), but I’d be quite shocked if Trump loses the military vote to whoever the Dems nominate in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785/15 "2018-11-20T23:21:00Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I wouldn’t say “sure” (which is why I said “seriously doubt”), but I’d be quite shocked if Trump loses the military vote to whoever the Dems nominate in 2020. Even if he doesn’t lose it outright, the fact that it’s seriously eroding matters. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785/16 "2018-11-20T23:29:49Z")
Trump losing the veteran vote actually seems quite possible to me. The only groups I’d count on him winning is white noncollege educated men and voters in the $50K-$100K income range, and only because that group is most vulnerable to having their lifestyle heavily affected by Democratic tax plans, or suspected Democratic tax plans. Oh, and I guess seniors too, since the GOP seems to be keeping its hands off senior entitlements. Which is actually enough to win, but it’s a very narrow path to victory. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785/17 "2018-11-20T23:41:35Z")
> [@YamatoTwinkie](#): > > [Support for Trump is fading among active-duty troops, new poll shows](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2018/10/15/support-for-trump-is-fading-among-active-duty-troops-new-poll-shows/) I see you were faster on the draw than me. 🙂 > [@YamatoTwinkie](#): > > …Trump seems to be most popular with the Marines (65.5% approval), least popular with the Air Force (36.4% approval) It’s interesting (to me, anyway) that the Air Force and the Navy track pretty closely, as do the Army and Marines. Apropos of nothing, I note that the USAF and USN have traditionally been more technical than the ground pounders, and [require higher ASVAB scores](https://www.thebalancecareers.com/minimum-required-asvab-scores-and-education-level-3332646) for their enlisted personnel. Also of note is that “the poll shows that officers are less enamored with Trump than enlisted troops.” There seems to be a clear correlation, even in the military, between level of education and support (or lack thereof) for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785/18 "2018-11-20T23:43:17Z")
Keeping its hands off of senior entitlements? They’ve already passed the bill to gut Medicare. The gutting just hasn’t gone into effect yet. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785/19 "2018-11-20T23:46:00Z")
I’m unfamiliar with that bill. How’d it get enough Democratic votes in the Senate to beat a filibuster? ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785/20 "2018-11-20T23:49:47Z")
> [@YamatoTwinkie](#): > > …I can’t imagine the twitter war with McRaven, or the border deployment to Mexico has helped this much. I agree. Despite my previous crack about “ground pounders,” even they are smart enough to realize when they are being used as political pawns. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-after-mcraven/824785.md?page=2)