# Trump going to win after all? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 30, 2016, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089 "2016-10-30T04:50:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Bootis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e8c25b/32.png) [@Bootis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootis)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/41 "2016-10-31T00:00:03Z")
> [@pidgeon92](#): > > Yes, just as he manufactured Hurricane Matthew to push his climate change agenda. He is not effective enough to successfully engineer a real hurricane. Were katrina and matthew real? I dont know. Liberals sure seem to think so. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/42 "2016-10-31T00:15:07Z")
> [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](#): > > However, Trump will take Tennessee. For how much, do you expect? ---
**Author:** ![HeXen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@HeXen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeXen)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/43 "2016-10-31T00:21:39Z")
if Trump wins, it certainly won’t make the media look good, it would certainly prove Rush is right after all I guess. Though I do see how the media in mass has made Hillary appear in the brightest light as if to program people into thinking Hillary will win so that they’ll just go ahead and vote for Hillary or something like that. It all just feels like one big mental game. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/44 "2016-10-31T03:20:15Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Please do enlighten us on what exact disasters Obama has caused in the last eight years ? I’m waiting. You’ve apparently been living under a rock for the last 8 years, then. From the inception of this nation until January 2009, our national debt grew to a little over $10 trillion. Obama doubled that in 8 years. Obamacare. A colossal fuckup that needs to be ripped up by the roots and burned with fire. Cash for Clunkers. Another example of Obamanomics, which apparently involves getting blasted on weed, then trying to make financial decisions for the country that involve unicorns that fart rainbows. Making the USA a laughingstock around the world. I could go on all night, but there’s a good start for you. You can google others for yourself, such as [13 Incompetent Failures in the Obama Administration – PJ Media](https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/05/20/13-incompetent-failures-in-the-obama-administration/) . ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/45 "2016-10-31T04:44:53Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Making the USA a laughingstock around the world. Making the USA a laughingstock around the world? I can tell you President Obama and the US are still highly regarded in Southeast Asia. As for Obamacare, most people including myself support it. It’s a good beginning but certainly not the end. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/46 "2016-10-31T05:11:48Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Why wouldn’t she enjoy it? Seems like a pretty pleasant prospect to me. > > Does she just _love_ unnecessarily hard work so much that she prefers things to be as difficult as possible? I’m sure she’ll _enjoy_ any win. The only point I was trying to make is winning with 320 electoral votes is a lot more enjoyable than winning with 275. At least in my head it is anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/47 "2016-10-31T05:20:37Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Making the USA a laughingstock around the world? I can tell you President Obama and the US are still highly regarded in Southeast Asia. Yeah, I don’t get this concept that the international community is laughing contemptuously at the girly man Obama and yearns for Trump to join heroic alpha male Putin on the world stage. International Dopers, can you shed some light? ---
**Author:** ![Staggerlee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/staggerlee/32/3134_2.png) [@Staggerlee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Staggerlee)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/48 "2016-10-31T06:35:46Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Yeah, I don’t get this concept that the international community is laughing contemptuously at the girly man Obama and yearns for Trump to join heroic alpha male Putin on the world stage. > > International Dopers, can you shed some light? I’ve only seen either indifference or admiration towards Obama from fellow British people (I’m thoroughly in the latter camp). But even the Brexiteers I know consider Trump to be an appalling person. I’m tempted to point out the similarities between the Brexit/Trump campaigns, but have to work with these deplorables. Please don’t become complacent about this election. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/49 "2016-10-31T06:50:06Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Yeah, I don’t get this concept that the international community is laughing contemptuously at the girly man Obama and yearns for Trump to join heroic alpha male Putin on the world stage. > > International Dopers, can you shed some light? Kiwi here. Obama is widely admired, Trump is a figure of both ridicule and a sort of baffled contempt. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/50 "2016-10-31T06:52:46Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Yeah, I don’t get this concept that the international community is laughing contemptuously at the girly man Obama and yearns for Trump to join heroic alpha male Putin on the world stage. > > International Dopers, can you shed some light? We could offer tons of anecdotes of course, but the statistics show that Obama has consistently had higher approval ratings internationally than domestically. What’s making you a laughingstock is 40% willing to vote for Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![VanillaGorilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f9ae1b/32.png) [@VanillaGorilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VanillaGorilla)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/51 "2016-10-31T08:39:31Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > Kiwi here. Obama is widely admired, Trump is a figure of both ridicule and a sort of baffled contempt. _Admiration_ for Obama might be too strong a word, but otherwise this is the scenario in Sweden as well. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/52 "2016-10-31T10:20:37Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Yeah, I don’t get this concept that the international community is laughing contemptuously at the girly man Obama and yearns for Trump to join heroic alpha male Putin on the world stage. Firstly, are we talking man-on-the-street or world leaders? I can tell you here in China the man-on-the-street in some ways does think of Trump and Putin as tough guys compared to Obama, and that that’s a good thing. But said man also believes in a lot of conspiracy theories and other nonsense, so let’s put it to one side. In terms of foreign leaders I’d say much of what Obama has done has demonstrated strength, but the way Syria has been dealt with has looked somewhat weak. I doubt very much any other president could have done things any differently though: there was no appetite by the public or government to get involved in another ME conflict, and the drawdown of troops in Iraq was already well underway. We should also note that the main danger of the world thinking of the US as weak on foreign policy might be countries thinking of attacking US allies (no-one’s actually thinking attacking the US itself is suddenly feasible / sensible): a fire that Trump has definitely stoked by implying US support may be wound down in a number of nations (because, he incorrectly asserts, they aren’t paying. Though the reasons for making such threats are irrelevant to how it affects perceptions). ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/53 "2016-10-31T20:56:54Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > For how much, do you expect? Sadly, the folks here will have it on sale for 99 cents. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/54 "2016-10-31T21:50:08Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > With any luck, he will. And I’m saying luck from the point of view of our society. > > It astounds me no end that after eight disastrous years of Obama, people think Hillary should be President. Leaving her felonies and habitual lying out of the mix, she would be four more years of the same disastrous bullshit, and I’m not sure the country would be able to survive it. Clinton to some eyes, is the lesser of two evils. Had there been a better democrat, or even a respectable republican candidate, its not likely she would have gone beyond the convention, ala 2008. But she is not Donald Trump, so people are holding their noses and pulling the lever. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/55 "2016-10-31T22:15:15Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Clothahump > With any luck, he will. And I’m saying luck from the point of view of our society. > > It astounds me no end that after eight disastrous years of Obama, people think Hillary should be President. Leaving her felonies and habitual lying out of the mix, she would be four more years of the same disastrous bullshit, and I’m not sure the country would be able to survive it. It’s one thing to say you think Obamacare is a bad idea or you favor a different fiscal policy, yet it’s quite another to say it’s been a “disaster” or that we may not be able to survive 4 similar years. This kind of talk is how people start considering a buffoon like Trump (“how much worse can it get,” they ask) In reality world, things are pretty good. Sure, there are issues that need to be addressed, and room for honest disagreement about how to address them. We shouldn’t, however, put an incompetent person in office just because some people are inflaming the fears of Americans. As the Atlantic editors put it: > [@](#): > > Our endorsement of Clinton, and rejection of Trump, is not a blanket dismissal of the many Trump supporters who are motivated by legitimate anxieties about their future and their place in the American economy, but Trump has seized on these anxieties and inflamed and radicalized them, without proposing realistic policies to address them… .He is spectacularly unfit for office, and voters – the statesmen and thinkers of the ballot box – should act in defense of American democracy and elect his opponent. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/56 "2016-10-31T22:33:14Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Yeah, I don’t get this concept that the international community is laughing contemptuously at the girly man Obama and yearns for Trump to join heroic alpha male Putin on the world stage. More anecdata, here: I had a phone interview with a company in England two weeks ago, and here’s an actual quote from the interviewer (after we’d done the actual interview, and were just chatting): “So, that Trump guy. You Americans aren’t being _serious_, are you?” ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/57 "2016-10-31T22:39:36Z")
No, Trump is not going to win. I’m expecting a landslide for Clinton, maybe not quite Reagan over Mondale, but a solid, indisputable ass kicking. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/58 "2016-11-01T00:23:53Z")
> [@naita](#): > > We could offer tons of anecdotes of course, but the statistics show that Obama has consistently had higher approval ratings internationally than domestically. What’s making you a laughingstock is 40% willing to vote for Donald Trump. This is the case in Australia as well. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/59 "2016-11-01T00:34:08Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Cash for Clunkers. Another example of Obamanomics, which apparently involves getting blasted on weed, then trying to make financial decisions for the country that involve unicorns that fart rainbows. Cash for Clunkers is one of your _top 3_ Obama fuckups? I haven’t heard _an American_ talk about the program in half a decade, and you think it’s made Obama a laughingstock overseas? Amazing. Or maybe not so amazing, given that your source of information has an “Editor’s Pick” article entitled _Sculptor’s Baby Jesus Compared to ‘Demonic Hedgehog’_. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/60 "2016-11-01T00:40:26Z")
> [@pool](#): > > I don’t know if I can quantify this, its more just a gut feeling. Does anyone else feel that despite everything Trump is going to win the election after all? I feel like this, but I also feel like every day will be the day of the nuclear apocalypse. Gut intentions can be useful, but it’s best not to ruminate on them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089.md?page=4)