# Trump going to win after all? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 30, 2016, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089 "2016-10-30T04:50:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/101 "2016-11-03T20:35:31Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > …You may have missed it since you quoted the link, but Clinton is not nearly the liar Trump is. Why don’t you just admit that you are voting for Trump because you prefer a pathological liar and confidence artist, even though you _know_ he lies more than his opponent, and has – in court – been proven to be a fraudster? (post shortened) Hahahaha. While I’m sure that Politifact gives you a warm, fuzzy feeling about political speeches, it’s the FBI who are investigating ol’ Hillary’s actions, possible crimes, cover ups, and lies. If I remember correctly, Politifact can’t send someone to prison. Since ol’ Hillary’s poll numbers appear to be dropping so close to the election, how are you going to convince the independent voters that ol’ Hillary is worth the effort of actually going to the voting booth? Your promise that she won’t lie anymore probably doesn’t carry much weight with her intended constituency. ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/102 "2016-11-03T20:46:47Z")
While acknowledging that this is at least partially duplicative of other threads, there’s no better forum for this. Relocated from IMHO to Elections. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/103 "2016-11-03T20:47:36Z")
… and a dozen state attorneys are investigating Trumps’ actions, possible crimes, cover-ups and lies. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/104 "2016-11-03T20:56:10Z")
Well, unless they got a nice fat campaign contribution. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/105 "2016-11-03T20:56:57Z")
> [@Gary\_T](#): > > Hmmm. Are there any recorded instances where Trump is known to have told the truth? :dubious: He’s told us the truth all along. He tells us that he is a racist, misogynistic user, that will do anything as long as it benefits him. When someone shows you who they are, it’s our job to see it. Sadly, many people in the USA look up to this type of asshole, and wish they could be just as big as an asshole as he is. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/106 "2016-11-03T21:02:28Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > … Clinton is not nearly the liar Trump is. The polling is mixed on this, but the gist is that the public basically views both candidates as not being honest and trustworthy. [Here, for example, is a NH poll](http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/03/politics/new-hampshire-wbur-poll-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/index.html): > [@](#): > > Additionally, 70% of the likely voters surveyed said Clinton is not trustworthy, while 27% said she is. For Trump, 60% said he is not trustworthy while 36% said he is. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/107 "2016-11-03T21:06:44Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. While I’m sure that Politifact gives you a warm, fuzzy feeling about political speeches, it’s the FBI who are investigating ol’ Hillary’s actions, possible crimes, cover ups, and lies. If I remember correctly, Politifact can’t send someone to prison. And the FBI investigations have found nothing. Just like the multiple Congressional investigations. But you’re missing the point. We’re talking about honesty. Politifact has gathered data, evaluated the data, and found the number of statements each candidate has made that are true, false, or somewhere in between. Show me your data. You can’t just say, ‘Well, I don’t have any actual data to back me up, but Clinton’s a bigger liar because my messiah tells me she is. And he wouldn’t lie!’ I mean, that’s the whole point. Your Führer _does_ lie. He lies more than Clinton. And yet you support him. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/108 "2016-11-03T21:08:12Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > The polling is mixed on this, but the gist is that the public basically views both candidates as not being honest and trustworthy. [Here, for example, is a NH poll](http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/03/politics/new-hampshire-wbur-poll-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/index.html): The polling is mixed. People who have not done research have a _feeling_ about one candidate or the other. When statements are researched to find out whether they’re true or not, that’s not a ‘feeling’. That’s factual evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/109 "2016-11-03T22:12:04Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > The polling is mixed. People who have not done research have a _feeling_ about one candidate or the other. When statements are researched to find out whether they’re true or not, that’s not a ‘feeling’. That’s factual evidence. Trump is a bombastic ass with a poor command of facts. You don’t need a ‘people to do research’ to tell you that he makes loads of misstatements in his campaign speeches and interviews. However IMO the reason Clinton is significantly further underwater than Trump on ‘honest and trustworthy’ v the opposite is not lack of research or vague feeling, or not just that. It’s the voters’ judgement that she’s dishonest mainly in other aspects than making factually incorrect statements about issues. The negative margin I believe comes out of her false or misleading statements about her own behavior, and just basic stuff like her and Bill’s fortune being mainly earned by what many people think is influence peddling. Some of Trump’s lies are in the same category, such as saying the sexual misconduct allegations against him have been ‘mainly debunked’ or claiming he can’t release his tax returns because they are under audit. But the bulk of a long list of Trump misstatements, easy to assemble, would be factual errors related to policies. And also while many would clearly be wrong, some element of ‘fact checking’ is opinion based\*. Voters weight different kinds of misstatements differently in making their judgments who is more dishonest and untrustworthy between Clinton and Trump. That’s subjective, you’re right. Where I disagree is the implication there’s any objective answer. \*eg. [factcheck.org](http://factcheck.org) judged Trump’s statement that ‘we don’t know’ if Russia(n state agency) is behind the wikileaks hack as false, giving as evidence the joint statement of DHS and DNI they are ‘confident’ it’s Russian state actors. But the intel community was also confident for purposes of public statements that Saddam had WMD’s. I accept Russian state involvement as likely in those hacks but would not say it’s ‘dishonest’ to be skeptical about it. There’s a lot of this in ‘fact checking’. [FactChecking the Second Presidential Debate - FactCheck.org](http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/factchecking-the-second-presidential-debate/) ---
**Author:** ![PoppaSan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/poppasan/32/189_2.png) [@PoppaSan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PoppaSan)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/110 "2016-11-04T02:16:21Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Quick question for people who hate Obamacare: How will repealing the ACA stop insurance companies from raising your premiums? 😕 My insurance company was one of the larger players that pulled out of offering insurance through the exchanges. Next year my premiums will drop 5-8%. The insurance companies offered by my employer that did not drop out will all see rates the same or slight increases. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/111 "2016-11-04T13:27:38Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > And the FBI investigations have found nothing. Just like the multiple Congressional investigations. (post shortened) Hahahaha. Which must be why the FBI has reopened the investigation into ol’ Hillary’s skullduggery. _skulduggery noun also skullduggery uk ​ /ˌskʌlˈdʌɡ.ər.i/ us ​ /-ɚ-/ secret and dishonest behavior_ Ol’ Hillary’s emails - The gift that keeps on giving. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/112 "2016-11-04T13:44:36Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Ol’ Hillary’s emails - The gift that keeps on giving. Ah, yes. The emails that were not actually to or from Hillary Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/113 "2016-11-04T14:46:00Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Ah, yes. The emails that were not actually to or from Hillary Clinton. Tell it to the FBI. And to the NYPD. The NYPD has been investigating Anthony “C My” Weiner and apparently has found a plethora of Team Hillary’s emails. Did ol’ Hillary subscribe to Weiner’s wiener pics, or did Mrs. Weiner cc her hubby as a backup in case someone took a hammer to ol’ Hillary’s private server? :eek: Either way, the FBI would have looked bad if the NYPD had made this public before the FBI admitted they had to reopen the investigation into Team Hillary’s underhanded, and probably illegal, activity. Now it’s up to the voters to decide if it’s worthwhile to go to the voting booth to vote for ol’ lying Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/114 "2016-11-04T14:51:49Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. Which must be why the FBI has reopened the investigation into ol’ Hillary’s skullduggery. > [@doorhinge](#): > > TEither way, the FBI would have looked bad if the NYPD had made this public before the FBI admitted they had to reopen the investigation into Team Hillary’s underhanded, and probably illegal, activity. Cite that anything was re-opened? You won’t find one because the investigation was never closed. “Reopened” is just more right-wing lies, but you know that. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/115 "2016-11-04T14:56:20Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > You’ve apparently been living under a rock for the last 8 years, then. > > From the inception of this nation until January 2009, our national debt grew to a little over $10 trillion. Obama doubled that in 8 years. > > Obamacare. A colossal fuckup that needs to be ripped up by the roots and burned with fire. > > Cash for Clunkers. Another example of Obamanomics, which apparently involves getting blasted on weed, then trying to make financial decisions for the country that involve unicorns that fart rainbows. > > Making the USA a laughingstock around the world. > > I could go on all night, but there’s a good start for you. You can google others for yourself, such as [13 Incompetent Failures in the Obama Administration – PJ Media](https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/05/20/13-incompetent-failures-in-the-obama-administration/) . Seriously? That’s all you got? Let’s talk about the debt. Obama didn’t do shit about the debt. Congress sets the revenue, Congress sets the spending. It’s Bush’s irresponsible tax cuts and Bush’s two needless wars that blew up the debt. Are you under the impression that the president is solely responsible for expenditures exceeding revenues? Wherever from? The ACA? The thing responsible for the lowest uninsured rate ever? The one that prevents insurers from throwing those with pre-existing conditions under the bus? Cash for clunkers wasn’t that bad an idea. Provide stimulus for the auto industry, reduce carbon emissions by getting old inefficient cars off the road- I thought it worked well. Didn’t you get offered enough for your clunker? Laughingstock around the world? Bush was universally reviled around the world, as is Trump. Obama is well liked by virtually every foreign leader and is hugely popular with non-Americans. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/116 "2016-11-04T15:25:50Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > Hahahaha. Which must be why the FBI has reopened the investigation into ol’ Hillary’s skullduggery. > > _skulduggery > noun also skullduggery uk ​ /ˌskʌlˈdʌɡ.ər.i/ us ​ /-ɚ-/ > secret and dishonest behavior_ > Ol’ Hillary’s emails - The gift that keeps on giving. Question: Given that Donald Trump is older than Hillary Clinton, why is she the only candidate you refer to as “ol’?” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/117 "2016-11-04T15:46:22Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Let’s talk about the debt. Obama didn’t do shit about the debt. Congress sets the revenue, Congress sets the spending. It’s Bush’s irresponsible tax cuts and Bush’s two needless wars that blew up the debt. Are you under the impression that the president is solely responsible for expenditures exceeding revenues? Wherever from?. The fact that the debt grew more proportionally under Reagan and Bush has been pointed out to him ad infinitum. He either does not understand simple figures, or deliberately ignores them. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/118 "2016-11-04T16:09:50Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Question: > > Given that Donald Trump is older than Hillary Clinton, why is she the only candidate you refer to as “ol’?” Question - Are you actually “Super”? Are you a “dude”? Do I care why you chose to use the words that you use? It’s my choice, not yours, to express my familiarity with ol’ Hillary by referring to her as ol’ Hillary. \*old (ōld) adj. old·er, old·est 1. often ol’ (ōl) a. Used as an intensive: Come back any old time. Don’t give me any ol’ excuse. b. Used to express affection or familiarity: good ol’ Sam.\* [OL - definition of OL by The Free Dictionary](http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ol)’ ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/119 "2016-11-04T16:16:11Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > The fact that the debt grew more proportionally under Reagan and Bush has been pointed out to him ad infinitum. He either does not understand simple figures, or deliberately ignores them. You’d have as much luck convincing an Ohio State fan of why they should root for Michigan. And that’s all this is for people like Clotahump-- “My team’s better than your team,” “I root for this team no matter what,” and “Your team sucks.” ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089/120 "2016-11-04T16:28:13Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > Cite that anything was re-opened? You won’t find one because the investigation was never closed. “Reopened” is just more right-wing lies, but you know that. I only know what people like you tell me. 😃 \ ***FBI Reopens Investigation Into Hillary Clinton’s Email Server** by Sam Frizell October 28, 2016, 1:50 PM EDT The FBI is reopening the investigation into Hillary Clinton‘s use of a private email server, the bureau’s director said in a letter to lawmakers on Friday, a surprise twist in a turbulent campaign just 11 days before election day. In a note to congressional committee chairs, FBI director James Comey said that the FBI had discovered additional emails relevant to the investigation into Clinton’s and that agents were examining the emails to determine whether they contain classified information. “In connection with an unrelated case, the FBI has learned of the existence of emails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation,” said Comey. “I am writing to inform you that the investigative team briefed me on this yesterday, and I agreed that the FBI should take appropriate investigative steps designed to allow investigators to review these emails to determine whether they contain classified information, as well as to assess their importance to our investigation.”\* > **[FBI Reopens Investigation Into Hillary Clinton’s Email Server](https://fortune.com/2016/10/28/fbi-reopens-clinton-email-investigation/)** > > James Comey said the FBI would probe newly discovered emails from Hillary Clinton's server. It's 11 days from presidential election. Just to clarify, so there isn’t any misunderstanding - \*reopen verb us ​ /riˈoʊ·pən/ ​ - to open something again after it has been closed for a period of time: Restaurant and hotel owners were wondering when they could reopen. He said he would reopen the road during morning and evening rush hours. ​ - If a process or discussion reopens, it begins again after it has stopped for a period of time: This may present an opportunity to reopen peace talks.\* [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-going-to-win-after-all/770089.md?page=7)