# Trump has COVID! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 2, 2020, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022 "2020-10-02T10:56:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022/482 "2020-10-05T15:45:18Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Yes, which is why it wasn’t really funny. (Many shared this opinion, according to news sources). Too accurate! Good point. If only karma and science could find a way to come together… ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022/483 "2020-10-05T15:45:28Z")
I’m endlessly and profoundly struck by the “arsonist as firefighter” aspect of Trump’s Presidency – the adulation, adoration, and votes he gets for putting out innumerable fires that _he_ started. Collateral damage ? They’re all just suckers and losers. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022/484 "2020-10-05T15:45:57Z")
Ah. I see. Trump’s Rainbow Coalition IS real 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022/485 "2020-10-05T15:46:56Z")
The Mouth of Trump just tested positive for COVID. > **[Kayleigh McEnany tests positive for coronavirus](https://www.axios.com/2020/10/05/kayleigh-mcenany-tests-positive-coronavirus)** > > She is the latest member of President Trump's inner circle to be diagnosed. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022/486 "2020-10-05T15:48:20Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Republicans: Do stupid shit, win stupid prizes. > > They are now spreading Covid to each other, because they are stupid. And next it will be this was a secret evil plan by Democrats, since they know they couldn’t win an election honestly. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022/487 "2020-10-05T15:52:14Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > > [@MrMrmrmr](#): > > > > See above. Ten million in debt is not that much when your sales are two million a month. > > > [@](#): > > > > My family owned a business where I did tool and die work. We sold the company for an eight figure price, that split between seven people. Sounds good but we also had over ten million in debt. I did Ok. > > I appreciate numbers. > You (the royal you) sold the business for ‘Eight figures’ (concerning lack of specificity there), but did _not_ state whether the eight-figures included assumption of the debt… so either your family took the eight figures and paid it to the lender, or the business sales price was ‘eight figures’ + loan assumption. I was guessing that the “eight figures” included the ones to the right of the decimal point. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022/488 "2020-10-05T15:53:36Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Katie Miller tested positive back on May 9. Maybe she got reinfected by a mutated strain. > **[The Mutations that Caused Covid-19 Reinfection Explained](https://medium.com/microbial-instincts/the-mutations-that-caused-covid-19-reinfection-explained-b05c83f8a2ba)** > > And what does it mean for our natural or artificial (vaccination) immunity? \[Updated September\] > **[US reinfection case raises question: how long does Covid immunity last?](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/17/nevada-reinfection-case-highlights-mysteries-covid-19)** > > Case highlights enduring mysteries, including how long a person’s immune system protects against the virus after an infection ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022/489 "2020-10-05T16:00:11Z")
Unfortunately not. Caring about people who serve is only something Republicans pretend to do when it serves their interests. They don’t actually give two shits about anyone but themselves. Notice that now Chris Wallace wants to know why Trump’s people don’t think the rules apply to them because he and his family have been exposed to COVID. ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022/490 "2020-10-05T16:38:20Z")
Bravo! ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022/491 "2020-10-05T16:42:27Z")
Silly rabbit: when did “make sense” have anything to do with the Trump administration? I can shoot that argument down right off the bat: when has POTUS been within spitting distance of a Democrat (or democracy, for that matter)? And if a Dem actually did succeed in infecting him, that’s a pretty big failure on the part of his security team. OK, that part I could see, especially given his irresponsible car ride the other day. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022/492 "2020-10-05T16:42:37Z")
Like what are they protesting against - reality? Sheesh! ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022/493 "2020-10-05T16:50:22Z")
Fuck if I know, they’re morons. Maybe they were protesting against consequences for bad decisions. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022/494 "2020-10-05T16:50:36Z")
> [@robby](#): > > The Mouth of Trump just tested positive for COVID. > > [https://www.axios.com/kayleigh-mcenany-tests-positive-coronavirus-c24b524e-3dea-4fc0-a34f-99317aad8070.html](https://www.axios.com/kayleigh-mcenany-tests-positive-coronavirus-c24b524e-3dea-4fc0-a34f-99317aad8070.html) On CNN now, two of her staffers are positive. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022/495 "2020-10-05T16:51:47Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Maybe she got reinfected by a mutated strain. No, he linked to an article from May 9. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022/496 "2020-10-05T17:48:03Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > After this week, why would anyone believe that Trump has their best interests at heart? If anyone believed that after his first week in office, they’re a moron. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022/497 "2020-10-05T17:51:31Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > If anyone believed that after his first week in office, they’re a moron. The Trumpists don’t care about that. They care that somebody else is getting it worse. As long as they think “the gayz” or dirty furriners or minorities will be brutalized, they don’t care as much about getting personally shafted as well. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022/498 "2020-10-05T18:16:44Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > As long as they think “the gayz” or dirty furriners or minorities will be brutalized, they don’t care as much about getting personally shafted as well. Well, their tone has recently changed to being victims of those hypocritical liberals wishing ill on dear orange leader and his Oberkommand. Even the handful of the board’s MAGATS are whining that tune. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022/499 "2020-10-05T18:30:46Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > And next it will be this was a secret evil plan by Democrats, since they know they couldn’t win an election honestly. Yeah, I was thinking about how this will play out. RW media, and republicans, are somewhat in shock at the moment and just playing defense. My prediction is they’ll find a picture of Hope Hicks talking to any democrat or MSM reporter, and that will be enough proof of a left wing coup d’virus. It doesn’t even need to be a _recent_ picture, as true trumpers don’t care about such details. ---
**Author:** ![anny\_m](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@anny\_m](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anny_m)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022/500 "2020-10-05T19:11:54Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > I wish him a full recovery, just not a speedy one. The same day his positive COVID test result was released, the Chicago Tribune had an article about some lesser-known long term effects of the virus. One of them is hair loss. I wish him a lengthy and not entirely full recovery. ---
**Author:** ![MrMrmrmr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrmrmrmr/32/5828_2.png) [@MrMrmrmr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrMrmrmr)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022/501 "2020-10-05T19:13:58Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > > [@MrMrmrmr](#): > > > > See above. Ten million in debt is not that much when your sales are two million a month. > > > [@](#): > > > > My family owned a business where I did tool and die work. We sold the company for an eight figure price, that split between seven people. Sounds good but we also had over ten million in debt. I did Ok. > > I appreciate numbers. > > So you had a small manufacturing business, sales of $25 million a year, 7 owners (varying levels of ownership, assuming), and were supporting a debt load of $10 million. You (the royal you) sold the business for ‘Eight figures’ (concerning lack of specificity there), but did _not_ state whether the eight-figures included assumption of the debt… so either your family took the eight figures and paid it to the lender, or the business sales price was ‘eight figures’ + loan assumption. > > Now, for those of you not in the know, small business loans tend to be short-term, like car loans. While there are a near-infinite number of ways this loan could be structured, typically a small business loan would be for 3-7 years and have a relatively high interest rate (5-15%, or the legal maximum (if there is one)). Just Google ‘I want a small business loan’. You’ll see. > > Running the numbers, a $10,000,000, 7-year loan @ 6% (compounded monthly) requires a monthly payment of $146,085. > > [https://photos.app.goo.gl/grMzcLNpM9uFChzN6](https://photos.app.goo.gl/grMzcLNpM9uFChzN6) > > If your firm does $2m/mth in gross revenues, your profit margin after COGS and SG&A and Other Financing Activities to support this debt (which you called… what was it… ‘not that much’) must be 7.15%. > > Unfortunately, I let my subscription to [Bizminer.com](http://Bizminer.com) lapse so I can’t look up the profit margin expectations of a tool&die business in the $25/million of sales range, but some quick googling tells me your industry averages about 13% margins… which your firm was likely not making, given that… reading between the lines using the numbers you provided… it struggled, needing debt to sustain it, until the owners, tired of throwing everything they have into it and seeing eight-figures of debt attached to their name, decided to sell out. > > Still not too sure how any of this gives you any more expertise to discuss Trump’s finances than others on this Board, but I did enjoy the little intellectual problem you laid out here. Thanks! We paid off corporate bonds,the line of credit,the IDRB, and all other debt with proceeds of the sale. We were not toolmakers. We paid interest slightly above LIBOR. We were very profitable, I would have to run some numbers to see what multiple of EBITDA the international conglomerate paid. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-has-covid/922022.md?page=26)