# Trump Hotel Not Apologizing for Booting Duck Dynasty Star **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 17, 2013, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471 "2013-08-17T02:37:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/21 "2013-08-17T14:43:17Z")
they just wanted to skinny dip in the cement pond. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/22 "2013-08-17T15:11:36Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > The only difference between eccentric and a slob is the ten million dollars. Pretty much. Accidentally throwing a slob guest out of your hotel is no big deal. Accidentally throwing a famous millionaire slob guest out makes the papers. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/23 "2013-08-17T15:16:09Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > How can he embarrass the hotel? He may be rich, but he has no influence whatsoever on people who can afford to stay there. I mean, is anyone going to think, “Huh - I was going to stay at the Trump hotel, but now that it was rude to Jase Robertson, I’ll go somewhere else”? > > In fact, this can only \*help \*the hotel’s reputation. They accidentally threw a wealthy, well known guest out of their hotel. Not exactly good PR for customer service. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/24 "2013-08-17T15:26:49Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > To Trump, that IS a homeless vagrant. > I say good for Trump (or at least “whatever”). A business has a right to enforce a certain standard. Most places enforce a “no shoes, no shirt, no service” policy. Some restaurants enforce a jacket required policy. It’s not inconceivable that a fancy hotel require their guests to not look like a Duck Dynasty star. > > If you don’t like it, perhaps you would be more comfortable at a Starwood ‘W’ hotel. And that would be fine; in fact, you took the exact example I was going to use. If they had been enforcing a jacket and tie policy in the dining room, that would be perfectly acceptable. If they’d declined to let him stay because of a strict “no beards” policy, that’s weird but whatever, it’s their place. That’s not what happened, though. They mistakenly threw a wealthy, cash paying guest out of their hotel. That’s not enforcing a dress code, that’s flat out stepping on your dick. ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/25 "2013-08-17T15:28:42Z")
did he have a certified birth certificate with him? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/26 "2013-08-17T15:28:44Z")
OTOH having a _ **Trump** _ property kick someone out for having ugly hair grooming is kind of ironic. One would have thought that this would be one place that would appreciate millionaires who looked and acted kind of “off”. And I suppose now ZZ Top knows where they will _ **not** _ be staying during their next tour date in NY… While at it, kudos to the dude for taking it in good humor – it probably happens to them a lot more often than we know – and for the phrase “facial profiling”. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/27 "2013-08-17T15:39:01Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > If you don’t like it, perhaps you would be more comfortable at a Starwood ‘W’ hotel. And jeez, dude, what’s up with the personal comment? I’m commenting on what I think a hotel should do as a matter of good business practices, not defending my right to wear camo pants in public or defending my hero Jase whatever his name is. ---
**Author:** ![Spud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spud/32/347_2.png) [@Spud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spud)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/28 "2013-08-17T16:05:03Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > If you want to look like a bum, you have to accept that you are going to get treated like a bum. I certainly hope that your hair is no longer than 1/4 inch. And wait… that shirt isn’t a Dolce & Gabana ‘Martini’ Pin Dot dress shirt… Freakin’ Hobo 😛 Said by the guy with a full beard (although closely trimmed), and hair that is much longer than 1/4 inch. One of the smartest (and very successful) guys I know has a beard like theirs. ---
**Author:** ![Skara\_Brae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Skara\_Brae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skara_Brae)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/29 "2013-08-17T16:09:30Z")
They’re \*\*not \*\*apologizing. Would it really hurt them so much to say, “We were mistaken and we are sorry.”? Good grief. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/30 "2013-08-17T16:56:07Z")
I’ll shortly be jumping into the shower with my clothes on for saying this, but I agree with the Trump organization. When I was 17, I got fired from a fast food job for letting my hair get too long. I was informed that this was not a civil rights issue, because there is no civil rights protection for grooming choices. At the time, I argued that it was discrimination by gender to fire a man for long hair if women were not subject to the same rules, but was advised by the state employment bureau to forget about it. Some religions do have rules about grooming and clothing, and these sometimes come into conflict with employers’ rules about grooming, because religious practices are protected by civil rights law. But unless they’ve started a new religion down in Louisiana with strict grooming requirements (“First Church of Christ, Unkempt Bum”?), this guy’s religious rights aren’t being threatened. I suspect that this is less about grooming than it is about culture. I doubt any right-wingers would be complaining if Trump’s joint had given the heave-ho to some thuggish, seedy-looking rap star. (FTR, neither would I.) Here in America, you are free to choose the homeless bum look. But no one is obligated to employ you (or let you use their restroom) if they don’t like you because of it. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/31 "2013-08-17T17:03:12Z")
> [@pravnik](#): > > They accidentally threw a wealthy, well known guest out of their hotel. Not exactly good PR for customer service. Again, so? Do you think other wealthy people - the vast majority of whom look nothing like this person - will care about how they treated him? Do you think most of them even know who he is? Wealth and “fame” do not automatically award someone respect, nor should they. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/32 "2013-08-17T17:03:18Z")
> [@Spud](#): > > I certainly hope that your hair is no longer than 1/4 inch. And wait… that shirt isn’t a Dolce & Gabana ‘Martini’ Pin Dot dress shirt… Freakin’ Hobo 😛 You haven’t checked the gallery for my picture, have you? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/33 "2013-08-17T17:20:45Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > ETA: they all look[homeless](http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/duck-dynasty-star-kicked-nyc-hotel-confused-homeless-man-article-1.1428681) People figure I’m homeless sometimes. I’m mostly retired, I don’t have to maintain a public appearance. Hair and beard are always clean, clothes are laundered. But I’m casually dressed and quite unshorn. Recent example was a trip to the dentist. No insurance, I was paying cash. Dentist started quietly tiptoeing around options that might cost more, and future care. “Oh, it’s all good,” I said “I brought $1500 with me today, so go ahead and do whatever you think is best”. He blinked and then switched gears and started talking to me like I was a customer and not a charity case. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/34 "2013-08-17T17:21:17Z")
After reading the linked account, I’m going to retract my snark for Jase and family. I had seen a piece on Fox News which had the deathless phrase ‘facial profiling’ emblazoned across the screen. This gave me the impression that Jase had himself meant to seriously conflate what had happened to him with religious or racial discrimination. But the quotes in the article make it clear that he (and his family) used the phrase in self-deprecating irony. My criticism of people who did try to seriously conflate things (Fox News, post #8 above) stands. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/35 "2013-08-17T17:33:37Z")
> [@pravnik](#): > > And jeez, dude, what’s up with the personal comment? I’m commenting on what I think a hotel should do as a matter of good business practices, not defending my right to wear camo pants in public or defending my hero Jase whatever his name is. It wasn’t directed at “you” you. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/36 "2013-08-17T17:38:37Z")
My mom made me watch the clip of Jase telling this story. It’s obvious that he was playing it for laughs. He and the rest of the bunch were very clear that the employee was a nice guy and they weren’t mad at him. He used the phrase “facial profiling” in references to this event just for a laugh line. He wasn’t trying to make a political point. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/37 "2013-08-17T18:34:38Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Again, so? Do you think other wealthy people - the vast majority of whom look nothing like this person - will care about how they treated him? Do you think most of them even know who he is? > > Wealth and “fame” do not automatically award someone respect, nor should they. Fame and wealth don’t award him respect, it just makes accidentally throwing a guest out of a hotel national news when it wouldn’t be otherwise. I’ll put it this way: if I’m the manager of a hotel and a staff member just put my hotel in the headlines by mistakenly throwing a guest out, then that staff member told me “who gives a shit, none of our other customers are going care how we treated that guy,” that staff member is probably getting fired. It’s negative publicity in a customer service industry, and Trump’s brand isn’t so bulletproof it can handwave any amount of it off. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/38 "2013-08-17T18:36:34Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > It wasn’t directed at “you” you. Okay, then, my apologies. Lack of sleep due to baby probably making me paranoid. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/39 "2013-08-17T19:07:58Z")
> [@F.U.Shakespeare](#): > > My criticism of people who did try to seriously conflate things (Fox News, post #8 above) stands. Way to completely miss this point of post #8. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/40 "2013-08-17T19:32:05Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > From what I can tell they just do it for the visibility/branding. Their wives don’t seem to like it. > > The beards really add to their personas. If they weren’t bearded, the show would not be as popular, I guarantee. I don’t think I’d watch it the same. It wouldn’t feel the same, or right. And I’m a woman who dislikes beards! > > They’re good folk, tho. Not unlike Billy Gibbons and Dusty Hill of ZZ Top. They independently started growing their chest-length beards during a break in the late 70s. In 1984 they turned down an offer from Gillette to shave their beards for a commercial. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471.md?page=3)