# Trump Hotel Not Apologizing for Booting Duck Dynasty Star **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 17, 2013, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471 "2013-08-17T02:37:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/41 "2013-08-17T19:32:48Z")
[Here](http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Palmer_(communard)) is his antecedent. Bearded guys could make his [tombstone](http://i.imgur.com/k2iL0vo.jpg) shiny like women made Victor Noir’s penis at Père Lachaise. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/42 "2013-08-17T20:34:01Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Way to completely miss this point of post #8. If I’ve been whooshed, my apologies. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/43 "2013-08-17T20:41:49Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > [Here](http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Palmer_(communard)) is his antecedent. Bearded guys could make his [tombstone](http://i.imgur.com/k2iL0vo.jpg) shiny like women made Victor Noir’s penis at Père Lachaise. Could someone translate this into English, please. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/44 "2013-08-17T20:55:04Z")
I’m sick of everyone being guilted into apologizing for everything. I tend to applaud anyone who doesn’t apologize for every little slight these days. Plus, dude looks like a bum, it’s his fault if/when someone treats him like one. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/45 "2013-08-17T21:43:48Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > I’m sick of everyone being guilted into apologizing for everything. I tend to applaud anyone who doesn’t apologize for every little slight these days. Sorry about that 😃 ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/46 "2013-08-17T22:10:19Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > I’m sick of everyone being guilted into apologizing for everything. I tend to applaud anyone who doesn’t apologize for every little slight these days. > > Plus, dude looks like a bum, it’s his fault if/when someone treats him like one. **Trump Hotel to Duck Dynasty star: “We ain’t apologizing for shit, htfu hobo lookalike”** I’ve got to admit, it does have a certain NYC charm. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2013, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/47 "2013-08-18T01:09:20Z")
So, it’s okay to treat this guy badly because he looks like a homeless person? Iit’s okay to treat homeless people badly? Yeah, that actually is bigotry of the same level as anything else. And it is what I use as proof that bigotry doesn’t actually go away but just finds more socially acceptable targets. The right thing to do would be to ask the guy for ID to see if he was really staying there, not prejudge him as obviously not being there. Note that word, prejudging? It doesn’t just apply to black people. Either you know all your guests and avoid IDing, or you ID people to see if they stay there. You do not judge them by their appearance, no matter how intentional or unintentional that appearance is. But it bothers me less that the guy made a mistake. It happens. It bothers me more that people seem to think this is a good idea. You’re agreeing with that bigoted cunt Donald Trump. That alone should have given you pause and made you think. You’re agreeing that homeless people should not be treated like everyone else. This guy’s beard may be intentional, but those of homeless people often aren’t. And, no, people don’t generally choose to be homeless. I wouldn’t think I’d have to say that here in liberalland, but sometimes the surprise conservatism like in this thread sometimes creeps up on me. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2013, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/48 "2013-08-18T04:36:19Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > So, it’s okay to treat this guy badly because he looks like a homeless person? It’s okay to treat homeless people badly? Do you invite homeless people into your own house? A hotel is home to a few thousand people. And none of them invite homeless bums into their own houses, either. > [@](#): > > You do not judge them by their appearance, no matter how intentional or unintentional that appearance is… Society has general expectations of behaviour and etitquette. If you intentionally violate the rules, you should expect to draw some reactions-- and not feel insulted. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2013, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/49 "2013-08-18T15:49:34Z")
> [@pravnik](#): > > Pretty much. Accidentally throwing a slob guest out of your hotel is no big deal. Accidentally throwing a famous millionaire slob guest out makes the papers. Q: Could the desk person have been confused by the [accent](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcuKTheCcsE) of his entourage? ---
**Author:** ![Sahirrnee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sahirrnee/32/13937_2.png) [@Sahirrnee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sahirrnee)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2013, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/50 "2013-08-18T20:25:32Z")
The problem with judging people by appearances is that while you may throw out Jase Robertson because he looks like a bum, you would let in Ted Bundy, Gary Gilmore and Bernie Madoff. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/51 "2013-08-19T01:39:59Z")
It seems to me that it’s worth noting that he wasn’t actually kicked out of the hotel. Rather, he asked for directions to the bathroom, and was directed to one down the street. Per the NY Daily News link upthread, he continued to stay at the hotel. I’m glad he had a good attitude about the misunderstanding, but it’s not like he was refused the right to stay there. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/52 "2013-08-19T01:55:06Z")
I wonder how different the tone of this thread would be if the subject wasn’t someone famous because he has a show about hunting. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/53 "2013-08-19T02:24:09Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > I wonder how different the tone of this thread would be if the subject wasn’t someone famous because he has a show about hunting. It would be very different, because if he wasn’t famous we wouldn’t even be discussing it, not even if he were a non-famous multimillionaire. I don’t think that the employee acted unreasonably or necessarily maliciously here. A bit more observation might have shown that the guy was unshaven and oddly dressed yet unusually clean and sane for a homeless person, and a bit more inquiry as to whether he was a guest might have been appropriate, but I don’t think the mistake on the whole was objectively unreasonable and no harm was ultimately done. I just think given the circumstances it’s boneheaded not to offer an apology. ---
**Author:** ![JFLuvly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac91a4/32.png) [@JFLuvly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JFLuvly)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/54 "2013-08-19T20:55:06Z")
First of all I think these guys are my new heros. Not only for not falling into the b.s. about how you are supposed to look and act to be considered an upstanding citizen, but for the way the handled it by leaving out the self entitlement that most celebs seem to carry around today. While I am not a huge fan of the show I have watched it a few times and the message seems to be more about family and values. I think an incident like this allows them to show that they are not the typical fake celebrity, but act the same way in real life ie; laughing it off and not throwing a hissy fit over it as, in my opinion, most celebrities seem to do. Has no one ever heard of not judging a book by its cover? I think the sooner we stop letting society dictate how we dress, how we talk, who we talk to, how we cut our hair, a thousand other things and how we think, we will be a lot better off. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/55 "2013-08-19T21:29:46Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > I wonder how different the tone of this thread would be if the subject wasn’t someone famous because he has a show about hunting. That’s what he’s famous for? I knew it was a show on cable but I didn’t know which one. Still, a hypothesis has been proposed and we should try to prove it. I propose that a celebrity known for being famous and well dressed be bounced out of that same hotel. We can compare and contrast news coverage here. If its filmed, we could even give a numerical score to the proposed bouncing of the butt off the pavement (distance, form, style, bounce height, and possibly picking up the spare re: a pedestrian). For the sake of argument, I propose Donald Trump, who to my knowledge has _absolutely nothing to do_ with hunting. All in favor, say Aye. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/56 "2013-08-19T21:32:50Z")
> [@pravnik](#): > > It’s negative publicity in a customer service industry, and Trump’s brand isn’t so bulletproof it can handwave any amount of it off. What you are not understanding is that most of the Trump International customers would probably be perfectly happy that a disheveled guest was thrown out. To these clients, what the Trump hotel did was customer service. And I’ll go one further: let’s say I’m sitting the the Bar Hemingway in the Ritz Hotel. (That’s the Ritz Hotel in Paris, not some ripoff “Ritz-Carlton” joint.) I’m enjoying my finely handcrafted cocktail that costs about $50. Some guy comes in with tattoos on his face, and he’s told to hit the bricks. I would not care at all. I certainly wouldn’t insist that the hotel apologize to him. Or, let’s say I’m wearing my tux, tails and monocle out for a night on the town. I walk into a biker bar where the Harley crowd hangs out. I’m told that they don’t serve my kind here. I put on my top hat, say, “Well! Good day to you, sir! I SAY GOOD DAY!!” and I leave. No need for an apology. Who the hell cares, really? ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471/57 "2013-08-20T16:11:41Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > What you are not understanding is that most of the Trump International customers would probably be perfectly happy that a disheveled guest was thrown out. To these clients, what the Trump hotel did was customer service. No, I really do understand that argument; I even understood it when it was made on the previous page. I’ll even admit that it may be meritorious. I just don’t think that it’s so self-evident and obvious that any discussion otherwise is ludicrous. To borrow a timeworn phrase, Trump International ain’t the Paris Ritz. The clientele isn’t simply [Rich Uncle Pennybags](http://cdn.mhpbooks.com/uploads/2013/07/Rich-Uncle-Pennybags.jpg) rubbing elbows and sharing monocle polishing tips with Scrooge McDuck and Mr. Peanut. If you plan far enough ahead, rates at Trump International start at $450 a night. When I’ve stayed in Manhattan I’ve spent as little time as humanly possible at my hotel, so I’d prefer to spend slightly less than that and stay at the still very nice Hilton or Sheraton towers on Times Square and spend the difference on entertainment, but $450 is well within my budget and a rate I have paid in the past. Even if I had to get a room in Midtown right this second I could get a room at the Trump International for $595, again well within what I would pay if necessary. However, if I pay more for a room than I would pay a couple of blocks over I’m going to expect something or I’m going to leave feeling like it wasn’t worth what I paid for it, and that’s not simply limited to the quality of the accommodations. Everybody in the world has had an experience with poor service, whether simply inattentive, or where the waitstaff gives off an impression that they’re doing you a favor by waiting on you because their time is more important than yours, or what have you. Ironically the very best places, the places that aren’t just what’s hot right now but have an established history of quality and service, don’t do this. An established quality restaurant doesn’t just impress you with their food, it impresses you with the high quality of their service. High end service is generous and accommodating, never obsequious or dismissive, highly professional and charming at the same time. It make you feel welcome to the point of being disarming. Premium service for a premium price is worth it, less than premium service for a premium price isn’t, and news of both travels. So back to the matter at hand, the hotel mistakenly tried to usher a guest paying that premium outside when he asked to use the facilities, it made the news, and they didn’t apologize. Is that enough to convince anyone in the world anywhere to look elsewhere? Maybe not, but maybe it’s something they’ll remember. When I was looking a prices for Trump International online this is literally the first review that I came across: > [@](#): > > We were wowed upon first seeing the hotel standing magnificently above Central Park. Our room was lovely, I particularly liked the bathroom with whirlpool bath and lovely toiletries provided. The location is superb, close enough to the tourist attractions, but also felt like we were sufficient distance away from the main tourist spots. > > On the downside, it was our honeymoon, and at no point were we asked the reason for our trip, whether we were having a good trip, whether there was anything they could help us with etc. Although efficient the reception and concierge staff were a little lacking in personability. I appreciate that this is a 5 star hotel, however I did get the feeling that we were looked upon rather suspiciously when entering the hotel, and I felt that I needed to have my room key on show to prove that we were in fact paying guests of the hotel! > > … > > Overall we had a lovely honeymoon, however I’d choose to visit another hotel next time Im lucky enough to visit. That’s precisely the attitude that I’m talking about. This couple’s experiences weren’t typical; reviews overall are glowing, but the luxury hotel business is a volatile, risky business venture, as luxury expenditures are one of the first things to go in a tight economy. It’s not inconceivable that the Trump International could go the way of the Trump Plaza, and management has every reason to keep dissemination of bad experiences to a minimum. So yes, somebody in my position could read a review like that, remember a news story of another guest not receiving the service that he paid for and not receiving an apology, and decide to look elsewhere. Maybe or maybe not enough to be of any consequence, but given how notoriously inexpensive issuing a one sentence apology is, why not? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-hotel-not-apologizing-for-booting-duck-dynasty-star/666471.md?page=2)