# Trump Impeachment II: Insurrection Boogaloo **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 8, 2021, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463 "2021-02-08T18:18:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/341 "2021-02-11T23:33:02Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > The sane Republicans are thinking, “If I go, you won’t get another one of ME, you get another one of THEM”. So they must vote like madmen to avoid being replaced by a madman. Problem is, that applies to every vote. What good does it do for them to stay in office if they’re not going to vote any differently than the people they’re trying to keep out? @Euphonious_Polemic, you might in some cases be right. Same thing still applies. If you do what the blackmailer says, the blackmailer won’t go away; they’ll just raise the next payment. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/342 "2021-02-11T23:41:05Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > What good does it do for them to stay in office if they’re not going to vote any differently than the people they’re trying to keep out? Money, mostly. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/343 "2021-02-11T23:43:55Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > If you do what the blackmailer says, the blackmailer won’t go away; they’ll just raise the next payment. Let us listen to the words of Kipling: > “We never pay any-one Dane-geld, > No matter how trifling the cost; > For the end of that game is oppression and shame, > And the nation that plays it is lost!” ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/344 "2021-02-11T23:50:14Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Money, mostly. Well, yes. But that’s not the reason BobLibDem was giving. I can see a principled Republican (there used to be such beings) staying in the party, or even in the Congress, in the hope of wrenching it back to sanity. But they can’t do that by voting with the people they’re trying to oppose, on the issues on which they’re trying to oppose them. – Kipling sometimes did get something right. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/345 "2021-02-12T00:00:33Z")
What happens tomorrow? Does the trump side get to make a presentation? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/346 "2021-02-12T00:02:55Z")
> > > Acyn @Acyn This seems … irregular. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/347 "2021-02-12T00:05:07Z")
The eternal question: who’s gonna stop them? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/348 "2021-02-12T00:19:33Z")
“I’d love to do the right thing, but someone might see me.” As a great man once said, that is an act of craven puppyhood. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/349 "2021-02-12T00:26:13Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > What happens tomorrow? Does the trump side get to make a presentation? Yes, it will be the Trump team making their case. Of course, this will take the form of “argle bargle witchhunt, unconstitutional, Trump really won, thankyouverymuch” Also have heard that Republican Senators were in meetings with the Trump defense team tonight. If this is in fact true, then I must say… WTF! Are they F’ing joking? If true, Graham, Cruz and Lee have just broken their oath and must be removed. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/350 "2021-02-12T01:22:53Z")
> Cruz said the meeting with the Trump defense team was an opportunity for “sharing our thoughts” about their legal strategy. When asked if he’s now comfortable with the Trump team’s legal strategy, Cruz said, “I think the end result of this impeachment trial is crystal clear to everybody.” > “Donald Trump will be acquitted,” he added. “It takes 67 votes to convict him and every person in the Senate chamber understands that there are not the votes to convict, nor should there be.” Cruz has broken his sworn oath to be an impartial juror and look at the evidence. He should be barred from the chamber, and should not be allowed to vote. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/351 "2021-02-12T01:25:00Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > > [@BobLibDem](#): > > > > The sane Republicans are thinking, “If I go, you won’t get another one of ME, you get another one of THEM”. So they must vote like madmen to avoid being replaced by a madman. > > Problem is, that applies to every vote. What good does it do for them to stay in office if they’re not going to vote any differently than the people they’re trying to keep out? > > @Euphonious_Polemic, you might in some cases be right. Same thing still applies. If you do what the blackmailer says, the blackmailer won’t go away; they’ll just raise the next payment. I can see an argument that goes “sure, I’ll vote to acquit, but that keeps the nutjobs from doing the real whacky stuff”. There’s right wing and the total batshit right wing, the mainstream right wingers might throw a bone to the batshit crowd just to keep them from running the asylum. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/352 "2021-02-12T01:26:54Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > the mainstream right wingers might throw a bone to the batshit crowd just to keep them from running the asylum. If you throw them a bone, they’re going to use it to smash in your skull because the Great Leader told them to. They are insane. You can’t expect them to behave like a rational human. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/353 "2021-02-12T02:22:56Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > There’s right wing and the total batshit right wing, the mainstream right wingers might throw a bone to the batshit crowd Problem is, that what used to be the total batshit right wing is now the right wing, and the batshit is further out there. And that’s how you get there, further and further out. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/354 "2021-02-12T02:31:18Z")
Here’s the thing about GOP Senators feeling trapped in a dilemma - not that I believe that many of them are; they’re just going ‘la la la la la, I can’t hear you’ to the Dems because they don’t want to vote against Trump and they don’t want to even think about anything that might give them pause. But I digress. The thing is, there are only 100 Senators, only two from each state. There are plenty more people out there who would be willing to take their jobs. Even people of their own party. If any of them are actually torn between the desire to do what is right, and the fear of the consequences of voting against Trump, _they can fucking resign_. That’s all they have to do to extract themselves from this difficult situation. Or if they don’t want to do their jobs and _pay fucking attention_ to what’s being presented, like Sen. Hawley for instance, he can fucking resign too. Nobody’s holding a gun to anyone’s head and forcing them to stay in the U.S. Senate. If they can’t stand the heat, they can get out of the fucking kitchen, and let someone else do their job. It’s that simple. > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > – Kipling sometimes did get something right. For all his White Man’s Burden crap, he was an astute observer and writer in many other ways. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/355 "2021-02-12T02:36:59Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Problem is, that what used to be the total batshit right wing is now the right wing, and the batshit is further out there. And that’s how you get there, further and further out. This. We’ve been watching this happen over and over again for the past 40 freakin’ years: the GOP cuts off its left wing and moves to the right, and _somehow it doesn’t lose votes_. 1980, 1994, 2010, 2016, 2020 - over and over again. Well, it _has_ lost some votes, but by voter suppression and gerrymandering and hook and crook, they’ve managed to retain a large share of power. Eventually they have to lose enough support that all the tricks won’t be enough to make up for it, right? Who knows. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/356 "2021-02-12T03:18:57Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Yes, it will be the Trump team making their case. Of course, this will take the form of “argle bargle witchhunt, unconstitutional, Trump really won, thankyouverymuch” With a hefty portion of “both sides do it” thrown in. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/357 "2021-02-12T03:22:36Z")
Apparently the Managers quoted Prime Minister Trudeau’s comments shortly after the insurrection: > **[Trudeau's criticism of Trump cited at U.S. impeachment trial | CBC News](https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trudeau-trump-impeachment-capitol-1.5910857)** > > Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's critical comments about Donald Trump following the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol were raised at the former U.S. president's impeachment trial as D Democrats argued Thursday that the Capitol attack damaged the... > [@](#): > > “What we witnessed was an assault on democracy by violent rioters, incited by the current president and other politicians,” Trudeau said last month [during an address outside his residence](http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/riots-washington-capitol-hill-trudeau-trump-1.5866237) at Rideau Cottage. > > “As shocking, deeply disturbing, and frankly saddening, as that event remains, we have also seen this week that democracy is resilient in America, our closest ally and neighbour. Violence has no place in our societies, and extremists will not succeed in overruling the will of the people.” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/358 "2021-02-12T04:27:13Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > (quoting Trudeau) “and other politicians,” And some of those are sitting in the senate acting as the jury right now. Co-conspirators in the jury. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/359 "2021-02-12T06:32:57Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > if mcconnell had convicted last year, there would have never been a riot. he rolled the wrong dice last year. i hope it costs them for decades. And _I_ hope the bastard lies awake nights realizing that. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/360 "2021-02-12T06:38:02Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Yes, it will be the Trump team making their case. Of course, this will take the form of “argle bargle witchhunt, unconstitutional, Trump really won, thankyouverymuch” I’ve read their defence brief. Basically their arguments are: 1. You can’t impeach after he already left (already argued, and decided, but they might try to re-argue it) 2. Lack of due process 3. The riot was pre-planned. Therefore his speech that day couldn’t have caused it. > [@aurora\_maire](#): > > With a hefty portion of “both sides do it” thrown in. No, I don’t think so. Trump’s lawyer is asked about it here. While he doesn’t outright dismiss it, he doesn’t seem terribly enthusiastic about the suggestion. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/nbx864_j9iA/maxresdefault.jpg "Trump's defense attorney lays out strategy for rest of impeachment trial") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbx864_j9iA) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463.md?page=19)