# Trump Impeachment II: Insurrection Boogaloo **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 8, 2021, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463 "2021-02-08T18:18:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/481 "2021-02-13T01:44:01Z")
> [@cantara](#): > > What was the oath sworn at the start of the trial? > > > I solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be,) that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of , now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws: so help me God. And then three of them actually met with the defense team to discuss strategy. Jesus Christ. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/482 "2021-02-13T01:48:12Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > There’s also the whole _prejudicial use of the term ‘due process’ by the Shit-Gibbon’s attorneys:_ > > Depriving a president of power does not require the same protective measures as when the state deprives a private citizen of life, liberty, or property. > > [many other articles say substantially the same thing: due process really doesn’t apply where your _power,_ and not your life/liberty, is at stake]. Republicans: “It’s a trail! No due process!” Also Republicans: “It’s not a trial! So we can confer with the defense team, even though we swore an oath to be impartial jurors!” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/483 "2021-02-13T01:55:25Z")
How can anyone be a Republican and not feel ashamed about what happened in Congress today? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/484 "2021-02-13T01:56:25Z")
This could be an interesting twist: > **[Schumer: Democrats might invoke 14th Amendment to bar Trump](https://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/schumer-democrats-might-invoke-14th-amendment-to-bar-trump-if-senate-acquits/PCP67ZMZYZHV7FG5JFG3O42ZTE/)** > > Now that Donald Trump has been acquitted in his historic second impeachment trial, Democrats may still attempt to ban the former Republican president from seeking office again by invoking the 14th Amendment. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/485 "2021-02-13T02:56:59Z")
Interesting, indeed. What about all the congress-critters who had given guided tours of the Capitol to the Proud Boys and their ilk? ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/486 "2021-02-13T04:48:40Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If I were a lawyer I would be ashamed of my profession. I have never seen that level of courtroom crap in all my life…an I am including cheap sitcoms and bad movies. Can you imagine how a judge would have reacted if an attorney had presented that totally out of context “fight” clip during a trial? Yeah, if Trump had hired Saul Goodman to represent him, his defense would have had more class than it did today. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/487 "2021-02-13T05:30:46Z")
This is really a very sad time for Republicans, and a sad time for America, but I doubt that very many right-wing troglodytes are capable of seeing it, especially if their brains as well as their TVs are permanently tuned to Fox News or worse. It’s not so much that Team Trump were lying their asses off, it’s that so many Republican senators are obviously predisposed to acquit no matter what, despite the extremely egregious malfeasance of an obviously unhinged orange shit-gibbon. It’s almost like watching a very very long SNL sketch. Unbelievable. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/488 "2021-02-13T14:08:50Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > How can anyone be a Republican and not feel ashamed about what happened in Congress today? I hate to say this, but probably quite easily, sadly. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/489 "2021-02-13T14:29:18Z")
There are murmurs that one of the lawyers wanted to resign on Thursday but was convinced to stay on. The defence side was very trumpy yesterday, the newer lawyer was very trumpy. Demanding to know which senator asked a question, disparaging the house managers. On to today. ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/490 "2021-02-13T14:43:03Z")
It may have already been addressed up-thread but I don’t feel like going through more than 100 posts to find out but what is the down side to the managers to calling witnesses? I guess they risk witnesses flat out refusing to testify but what else? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/491 "2021-02-13T14:59:17Z")
I think the downside is just lengthening the trial for an unknown amount of time when the outcome is not in doubt. ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/492 "2021-02-13T15:15:34Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Here’s the thing about GOP Senators feeling trapped in a dilemma - not that I believe that many of them are; they’re just going ‘la la la la la, I can’t hear you’ to the Dems because they don’t want to vote against Trump and they don’t want to even think about anything that might give them pause. > > But I digress. The thing is, there are only 100 Senators, only two from each state. There are plenty more people out there who would be willing to take their jobs. Even people of their own party. > > If any of them are actually torn between the desire to do what is right, and the fear of the consequences of voting against Trump, _they can fucking resign_ . That’s all they have to do to extract themselves from this difficult situation. Or if they don’t want to do their jobs and _pay fucking attention_ to what’s being presented, like Sen. Hawley for instance, he can fucking resign too. > > Nobody’s holding a gun to anyone’s head and forcing them to stay in the U.S. Senate. If they can’t stand the heat, they can get out of the fucking kitchen, and let someone else do their job. It’s that simple. There is no dilemma. The only question the politicians have is “What do I have to do to remain in office?” There are no morals or principles involved. Granted, there are a (very) few Rs willing to vote to convict Trump, perhaps acting against their own interests and I tip my hat to them. But the vast majority are addicted to the perks of holding office and will do whatever it takes to feed the addiction. Just like the heroin addict who robs his own mother for the next fix. Actually, I have more sympathy for him but we throw him in jail while holding elected official in high esteem. Resign? No fucking way would that ever happen. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/493 "2021-02-13T15:23:46Z")
Van der been is as close to Giuliani as trump could get. That was a true trump/Giuliani performance. I’ll call hundreds to phillydelphia to depositions. No zoom for me. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/494 "2021-02-13T15:27:46Z")
I want to see witnesses. I don’t care if Van Der Veer subpoenas Cory Booker, Hillary Clinton, Harriet Tubman and the goddamned Mormon Tabernacle Choir. That’s his problem. Witnesses! ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/495 "2021-02-13T15:28:12Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > It shows a pattern of conduct. He spent a lot of time and money telling a pack of lies to get people all riled up, and he succeeded. And having gotten a sizable mob all riled up and having made sure they ‘knew’ that Congress could fix it but would need to be pressured into it, he sent them thataway. And to me, this is one big reason impeachment is important. We have to show politicians that we’re onto the ploy of “will nobody rid me of this troublesome priest?” It’s Trump’s signature move. Spout a lot of bullshit, get people riled up, nudge them vaguely in the right direction, praise their actions, and respond to accountability with “I was just joking around”. We have to make the point that all “jokes” will be investigated and all “nudges” will be held accountable. When you’re talking about people’s life and safety, if you’re a leader of government, you’d fucking well better speak with concern, sobriety, and a bias to action. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/496 "2021-02-13T15:28:28Z")
Looks to me like witnesses are gonna be called. Hold on to your hats! ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/497 "2021-02-13T15:28:44Z")
There may have to be a fair number of prosecution witnesses appearing via Zoom from various correctional facilities. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/498 "2021-02-13T15:29:41Z")
WITNESSES! WE’RE GONNA HAVE WITNESSES! Yes. Goddammit, this is a complete fucking sentence, @discobot ---
**Author:** ![discobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/discobot/32/570_2.png) [@discobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/discobot)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/499 "2021-02-13T15:29:42Z")
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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/500 "2021-02-13T15:35:23Z")
If they’re gonna call witnesses, pull the fucking pin and call Trump. Send him a big fat subpoena. Do it! DO IT!!! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463.md?page=26)