# Trump Impeachment II: Insurrection Boogaloo **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 8, 2021, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463 "2021-02-08T18:18:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/601 "2021-02-13T19:50:08Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Which they will fail to do any of, because they never succeed at doing anything other than being played by the Republicans. Yeah, winning the House, the Senate and the White House, that’s nothing. 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/602 "2021-02-13T19:51:19Z")
Pelosi has the balls to do it, but also the smarts not to. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/603 "2021-02-13T19:52:08Z")
The defense just claimed that the stipulated evidence (that resulted in no witnesses being called) was not agreed to be true. Does he misunderstand the term “stipulate”, or do I? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/604 "2021-02-13T19:55:06Z")
> [@Chad\_Sudan](#): > > If we don’t have time to investigate how one branch of government launched a violent attack on another, then why should anyone take the U.S. seriously? If the investigation will just lead to a acquittal, why do it? We need a health plan, we need a Immigration plan, we need lots of stuff on Biden’s & Pelosi’s plate instead of just wasting time. there were two purposes here: 1. In Early January, there was still a chance we could get 17 GOP votes. 2. Make each Republican to show his vote to acquit on the public record. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/605 "2021-02-13T19:55:10Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > You want to get the exact time of this call - surely obtainable from White House phone records, which are now in President Biden’s control - and nail down what McCarthy told Trump about the situation, and how Trump responded, just to drive the point home of Trump’s dereliction of duty that afternoon. > > This should have been the big news not just today and tomorrow, but into the week, to drag out the point of how craven the Republicans have to be, to still not convict Trump. At the time of the call, McCarthy was in genuine fear for his life, and the orange shit-gibbon was flagrantly enjoying – from a safe distance – the ongoing demonstration of his supporters’ fealty. Once the danger was over, McCarthy went back to being a douchebag politician. He notably visited Mar-a-Lago recently to kiss the shit-gibbon’s orange ass. The problem with making much of the McCarthy call is that the star witness appears to have a major case of politically-induced amnesia. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/606 "2021-02-13T19:55:47Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > The defense just claimed that the stipulated evidence (that resulted in no witnesses being called) was not agreed to be true. Does he misunderstand the term “stipulate”, or do I? - I stopped watching as soon as that guy started talking, so this is just a guess. I suspect he understands the term but is now asserting that what was stated by House Managers in their closing arguments is not what he stipulated to. That is likely to result in reopening the witness discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/607 "2021-02-13T19:57:32Z")
For the lawyers in the group: How are Trump’s attorneys doing in your opinion, leaving poitics out of it? Above par, par or not so par? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/608 "2021-02-13T19:58:05Z")
After closing arguments? I don’t really follow this lawyer stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/609 "2021-02-13T20:01:59Z")
I think that’s a big part of the problem with this “trial.” Trump’s lawyers are approaching this like a criminal case. It’s not, and the rules are different. Of course, Trump supporters don’t know this, and Trump, along with his lawyers and Senate Republicans, count on this. Re when the lawyer raised his objection to the stipulated testimony in the record, I can’t really fault him for that. If the first time he learned that House Managers were going to materially misrepresent what was agreed to (so he asserts) is when they presented their closing arguments, then that would be his first opportunity to raise such objections. IANAL as you know. Just offering my opinions. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/610 "2021-02-13T20:06:17Z")
Did turdface just blame the insurrection on the BLM ‘riots’ earlier in the year? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/611 "2021-02-13T20:09:43Z")
This jag lawyer can’t bring himself to say the full word “Democratic”. Damn these Republicans are petty childish douchebags. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/612 "2021-02-13T20:12:21Z")
Let me boldly go on record to state that if a Democratic President fomented an attack on either other branch of the Federal government, I’d be howling for their hide as well. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/613 "2021-02-13T20:25:25Z")
I realize what this _lawyer_ is saying is simply courtroom or political hot air, but I’m thinking it’s too bad we don’t allow duels any more. Would he be impugning the reputation of the Democrats in the house in general and the impeachment managers in particular if he could face the working end of a pistol as a result? I hope there’s a rebuttal allowed. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/614 "2021-02-13T20:25:48Z")
This was starting to get to me. I started cleaning just so i wouldn’t have to look at him. And not a court of law!!! ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/615 "2021-02-13T20:31:11Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > If you’ve already gone this far, you want to make the most of this moment. This is like kicking a field goal with first and goal from the 1 yard line when their best defenders suddenly fainted dead away and had to be sent to the hospital. That makes sense if the game is on the line, but if there are 5 seconds left on the clock and you are behind 24 to 7. You aren’t going to win anyway, and you may not want to risk injuring your start running back on a fruitless play. No one who hasn’t already been convinced by the evidence given so far is going to be convinced by any new evidence, This impeachment trial serves three purposes. First, as a matter or pricinipal to raise an objection to Trumps behavior in as strong a manner as is legally allowed. Second to turn public opinion against Trump and by extension the GOP. Finally to get Republican senators on record as condoning insurrection. I think that the impeachment succeeded in all three of these goals the extent that is it was possible given the blind partisanship that exists in this country. I also think that there should (and hopefully will) be a more thorough investigation into lack of preparation and response to the attacks which should include many witnesses and go beyond the actions of Trump and into possible actions of other members of Congress. We can delve down into the details at that time. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/616 "2021-02-13T20:33:24Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Yeah - I think information about who provided what info to the White House when, and what was (or wasn’t) done in response, ought to be developed/publicized. Absolutely. Don’t let this nugget slip away. Dig in, get more information, and publicize the hell out of it. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/617 "2021-02-13T20:35:06Z")
Yeah, get the impeachment out of the way, so that the criminal prosecutions can start in earnest. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/618 "2021-02-13T20:35:46Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > he problem with making much of the McCarthy call is that the star witness appears to have a major case of politically-induced amnesia. This. I think that one reason for the deal to not call witnesses is that the Republicans let is be known in private conversation that McCarthy was prepared to take the stand and lie his ass off. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/619 "2021-02-13T20:36:33Z")
And now the vote… ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/620 "2021-02-13T20:36:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > They can subpoena him. He can take the 5th amendment, if he wants, but that will be a pretty strong indication he’s guilty. It’s not like that would be the ONLY “pretty strong indication he’s guilty”… > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Give me the name of one individual currently serving in either house of Congress in any party who has the balls to issue a subpoena on trump. There is no one. Everyone is still too afraid of him, of what he can do, of whom he commands, of the damage, the fallout. I suspect not just members of Congress but their families have been threatened. Not just the Democrats and Pence, but all the Republicans. Pity I don’t have proof of it, though. > [@asahi](#): > > Mitch McConnell…you’re a pussy. That is insulting to pussies. > [@asahi](#): > > As HMS\_Irruncible said, it’s not clear what they thought impeachment would actually achieve. The Democrats were trying to convince the court of public opinion. That’s how it looks to me. You weren’t going to get most of the Republicans to move (I don’t know if Trump has blackmail materials, has threatened their families, bought their souls, or what…) But if you can move public opinion, well, that’s part of the political game. > [@Chad\_Sudan](#): > > If we don’t have time to investigate how one branch of government launched a violent attack on another, then why should anyone take the U.S. seriously? Perhaps they shouldn’t. Lord knows the US has plenty of enemies that would love to see it crash and burn. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463.md?page=32)