# Trump Impeachment II: Insurrection Boogaloo **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 8, 2021, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463 "2021-02-08T18:18:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2021, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/141 "2021-02-09T23:32:33Z")
I remember Bella Abzug lost the hat debate when she was in Congress. I thought it odd as I reckoned it was religious as she was married and Jewish. She did not wear a hat on the floor. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2021, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/142 "2021-02-09T23:39:13Z")
Jewish women are not mandated to wear hats. She could wear a wig and comply with Jewish custom. And if she wasn’t married she would even have to do that. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2021, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/143 "2021-02-09T23:54:00Z")
I just figured hats were her preferred head covering. Back to the trial. I noticed Ruskin did not use his rebuttal time. It would appear that the house managers thought the argument was so weak that they did not need to answer. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/144 "2021-02-10T00:58:32Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > What the hell is Castor talking about? > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Is this the Chewbacca defense? > [@Lamoral](#): > > LOL, that’s what came to mind. Is this guy high? Is this the best they can do? _Really?_ > [@Lamoral](#): > > The people ON THE TRUMP FORUM are aghast at what a shitty job this guy’s doing. Mr. Castor, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/145 "2021-02-10T01:06:42Z")
In the end, it made no difference how incompetent the defense was. It will make no difference as the trial progresses. All that matters is kowtowing to the ignorant base. If a Republican ever comes up and tells me he’s being disenfranchised, I shall fart in his general direction. Yes, it’s very impressive that your guy got over 70 million votes. Not as impressive as Biden’s over 79 million but still… So if the cure for your disenfranchisement is to overturn the election, how is that not disenfranchising the 79 million+ that voted for the other guy? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/146 "2021-02-10T01:21:55Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > If a Republican ever comes up and tells me he’s being disenfranchised Does a Republican actually know what being disenfranchised means? To hear Castor talk about it, the fact that Trump lost the election disenfranchised 70 million voters. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/147 "2021-02-10T01:26:12Z")
Michael van der Veen, whom we haven’t heard from yet, sued Individual 1 over his election fraud claims last year. Now he’s representing him. > **[One of Trump’s impeachment lawyers sued him last year — and accused him of...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-lawyer-suit-fraud/2021/02/09/50f0769e-6ae3-11eb-ba56-d7e2c8defa31_story.html)** > > Philadelphia lawyer Michael T. van der Veen filed a suit on behalf of a House candidate against Trump and the U.S. Postal Service that was ultimately settled. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/148 "2021-02-10T02:23:48Z")
I really appreciate that when some reporter asked President Biden if he would be watching the trial his answer was basically, “No, I’m the President, I’ve got shit to do.” Trump’s defense is so empty it makes me wonder why they would even try such an argument other than to waste time. You can’t impeach him because he’s out of office now. As _not_ specified in the document that was written in the days where if you were in a hurry to get somewhere you hopped onto a horse. How stupid do they think the founders were? I really hope someone is campaigning behind the scenes to talk Republican Senators into convicting Trump. If they don’t I have a feeling they are going to regret it in the future. We don’t yet know what kinds of other unethical and/or illegal things Trump did while in office and I am certain there will be some doozies in there. Suppose for example it is discovered that Trump was selling state secrets to the Russians, which is currently regarded as enough of a possibility that there has been open talk of cutting Trump off from the classified briefings that former Presidents get. If it is found out that Trump has actually done this who would like to be on record letting this traitor run for office again? I know Republicans have that empathy deficit but still, think of being on the campaign trail and trying to defend that. “Fake news” will only go so far. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/149 "2021-02-10T02:26:06Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > I really hope someone is campaigning behind the scenes to talk Republican Senators into convicting Trump. If they don’t I have a feeling they are going to regret it in the future. I have a feeling we’ll ALL regret it in the future. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/150 "2021-02-10T02:36:40Z")
Senator whatshername would furrow her brow. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/151 "2021-02-10T03:36:03Z")
To quote myself from a previous thread: > [@The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making Part Deux (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making-part-deux-part-1/911083/9439): > > It’s not a losing case, because there is no losing case. Trumps entire defense case could be [“chicken chicken chicken”](https://www.youtube.com/watch/yL_-1d9OSdk) and he would still be acquitted. And while they didn’t say “chicken chicken chicken” they did the next best thing. See this quote from Castor that I got off of a Washington post commentary > I saw a headline: Representative So-and-so seeks to walk back comments about — I forget what was, something that bothered her. I was devastated when I saw that she thought it was necessary to go on television yesterday or the day before and say she needs to walk back her comments. She should be able to comment as much as she wants, and she should be able to say exactly how she feels. … What the hell! “so I saw this article a few days ago that I remember nothing about but it made me mad, therefore Trump should be acquitted”. Filling in the blanks I assume this was a reference to Marjorie Taylor Greene. In which case his conclusion is that a representative should be able to assert that no plane struck the pentagon on 9/11 without anyone batting an eye. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/152 "2021-02-10T04:45:45Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > So if the cure for your disenfranchisement is to overturn the election, how is that not disenfranchising the 79 million+ that voted for the other guy? But those are libruls. In a just world they wouldn’t be allowed to vote at all. ---
**Author:** ![Grestarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grestarian/32/3227_2.png) [@Grestarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grestarian)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/153 "2021-02-10T06:49:53Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Mr. Castor, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. It occurred to me while reading the quoted passage that the recently removed president probably interviewed Castor and thought, _This guy talks like me! Hey, I’m brilliant and he talks like me. And he’s a lawyer! That must mean he’s a brilliant lawyer – which means I didn’t do what they’re accusing me of doing, whatever that was. Yeah, so I should hire this guy to be my defender! Oh, wait, I have a secret service detail now._ “Hey, Mister…uh…whatever-you’re-called. You want to argue on my side at this trial thing that’s coming up?” –G! ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/154 "2021-02-10T13:57:30Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > You gotta love the argument that the impeachment in the house was rushed, but the senate is proceeding without all the information and a full investigation. So basically the president can do whatever it is that he wants for at least a few months before he leaves office as that’s a dead zone of accountability. As intended by the founding fathers, I guess. Is the Senate really complaining that they don’t have all the information? What I see is that they’re trying to pushing mightily to avoid witnesses and get this sucker wrapped as soon as humanly possible. Dems want to move onto Biden’s agenda, Repubs don’t want to spend a minute more on this rotisserie than they absolutely have to. But I remain confused as to the downside for Trump or Republicans. Drag it out, fuck it up, who cares. Their constituents want Trump acquitted, do they even care whether it takes 3 days or 3 months? ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/155 "2021-02-10T13:59:25Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > But those are libruls. In a just world they wouldn’t be allowed to vote at all. And they were illegal, because they were mailed in, so we don’t really know when the heck they were even cast, or if the voters whose names are on the ballots are the ones who cast them, grumble, grumble, mutter, splutter. Hrumph. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/156 "2021-02-10T14:00:17Z")
Every librul who votes disenfranchises a good American conservative. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/157 "2021-02-10T14:19:35Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > And they were illegal, because they were mailed in, so we don’t really know when the heck they were even cast, or if the voters whose names are on the ballots are the ones who cast them, grumble, grumble, mutter, splutter. Hrumph. Not only that, but mailed in _from foreign countries_! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/158 "2021-02-10T15:02:20Z")
He’s still president because the election was stolen. He can’t be impeached because he’s not the president. 🤓 ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/159 "2021-02-10T15:14:35Z")
The most damning evidence against Trump isn’t what he said before the riot; it’s what he said and did during and after. That is to say: nothing. A normal (non-criminal) president, when informed “Mr. President! A violent mob is attacking the Capitol! Congress is in danger!” would: Send in National Guard reinforcements, immediately. See to the safety of Congress and their staff Ask about his VP Go on TV/Twitter and demand that this outrage stop, and vow that the pepetrators will be tracked down and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Trump did diddlysquat: **because it was all going according to plan**. After 4 hours, he addressed his followers and said “we love you. You’re very special.” Whether his speech technically meets the legal standard for inciting violence doesn’t matter that much. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463/160 "2021-02-10T15:25:48Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Whether his speech technically meets the legal standard for inciting violence doesn’t matter that much. Whether it meets the legal standard may hinge on _intent_, and while IANAL, his rather unhurried reaction to the actual storming of the Capitol sure says a lot to me about his intent. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-impeachment-ii-insurrection-boogaloo/932463.md?page=9)