# Trump: In 4 years we’ll have it fixed. You won’t have to vote **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 27, 2024, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870 "2024-07-27T23:27:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870/101 "2024-07-28T19:31:30Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > And can he install, oh, say, a couple of thirtysomething replacements to lifetime seats, such that the audience he was addressing will maybe have died off before those seats again come up for possible flipping? There ya go. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870/102 "2024-07-28T19:31:30Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > They will at least eventually die So will the audience Trump was addressing. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870/103 "2024-07-28T19:38:18Z")
> [@dolphinboy](#): > > Because if Trump wins, most government institutions, excluding perhaps the Supreme Court, will not sit idly by and watch him dismantle democracy in America. I’ve got a lot less confidence in that than you do. > [@dolphinboy](#): > > For example, his declaring a state of emergency in order to stop the 2028 presidential election and keep himself in office. I think there would be a civil war that he would be on the losing side of. It doesn’t have to be that blatant. Just preventing enough of the “wrong” people from voting will do it. And how would having a civil war at that point – after he and his users have done four years’ worth of damage, and gotten their tentacles much further into ways of controlling the armed forces – be any worse than having one in 2024? And if the threat of a civil war is supposed to be enough to get him elected in 2024, why wouldn’t it be enough to get him to stay in office in '28? > [@dolphinboy](#): > > Short of something that dramatic, whatever undemocratic thing he does by executive order can be undone by the next president. The next president can’t restore lives of the dead. Or undo four years of massive environmental damage. > [@dolphinboy](#): > > if he loses, there are millions of brainwashed armed people who will believe it was a rigged election. I believe there will be coordinated rioting in the streets throughout the country, which will ultimately be put down by state and federal militia, and which will lead to mass arrests and incarcerations and perhaps the breakdown of civil society as we now know it. I very much doubt it. I think there will be isolated incidents. And we have isolated incidents now, and have been having them pretty much since the country got started. But, again, if that’s what you think would happen – why don’t you think it would also be an equal or even greater threat in 2028, if/when Trump declares he’s staying in office? Are you going to be saying then that we must give him (or if he’s dead whover took over) a third term or there’ll be riots? And so on, forever? ---
**Author:** ![Win\_Place\_Show](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/win_place_show/32/13469_2.png) [@Win\_Place\_Show](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Win_Place_Show)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870/104 "2024-07-28T19:40:31Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > And can he install, oh, say, a couple of thirtysomething replacements to lifetime seats Starting with Judge Fangirl down in Florida, no doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870/105 "2024-07-28T19:42:32Z")
Whether he wins or loses, he’ll still have his brainwashed army. If he wins, he’ll have his brainwashed army and at least some fraction of the government institutions. You’re literally arguing that we need to put Trump in power to keep him out of power. That’s not how this works. That’s not how anything works. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870/106 "2024-07-28T19:54:43Z")
> [@dolphinboy](#): > > I believe there will be coordinated rioting in the streets throughout the country, which will ultimately be put down by state and federal militia, and which will lead to mass arrests and incarcerations Nah. We’ll skip the mass arrests and incarcerations. Just easier to grease them _en masse_ and shovel them into a mass grave. I mean, even their dentists probably won’t be able to identify their remains. (Assuming they have dentists – do people with less teeth than fingers really need dentists.) They got off easy on January 6. Not going to happen again. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870/107 "2024-07-28T19:59:56Z")
The notion might be slightly more palatable if he would name his successor ahead of time. Does he think he’s going to live forever? He won’t, despite what Ronnie Johnson says. I can’t wait until this election is over, and he can just fume in his jail cell until he croaks. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870/108 "2024-07-28T20:00:35Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Just easier to grease them _en masse_ and shovel them into a mass grave. Given their sentiment seems best embodied by this famous bit of agitprop, _So, as we set out this year to defeat the divisive forces that would take freedom away, I want to say those fighting words for everyone within the sound of my voice to hear and to heed ‘From my cold, dead hands’!_ The correct answer to that is, of course, ‘As you wish.’ ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870/109 "2024-07-28T20:32:31Z")
In context, if stated by a person, instead of trump, I would have taken it to mean that if you are the type of christian that doesn’t vote, just do it this one time, after which I will prove my ways so I will be voted in again overwhelmingly and you can resume your pattern of not wanting to vote as it won’t matter. As opposed to yes I need your help to win so I can become king forever and take away your rights to vote. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870/110 "2024-07-28T22:03:18Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > You’re literally arguing that we need to put Trump in power to keep him out of power. That’s not how this works. That’s not how anything works. @dolphinboy This is the problem with your argument in a nutshell. If we elect TFG in 2024 to avoid an entirely hypothetical coordinated civil war by his base, what happens in 2028 when you are now so worried about another hypothetical coordinated civil war from his base unless he’s either allowed a third term or his anointed… I mean appointed successor isn’t allowed to win? Only this time he’s had another 4 years to undermine democratic institutions from within. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870/111 "2024-07-28T22:29:27Z")
> [@jlh3rd](#): > > I’ll bet real christians, not straight dope board posers, know exactly what he meant. As he admitted that he is not a christian himself (cite → the video in question) I guess that makes him a ChINO, a Christian In Name Only. And yes, I hope it is an unfortunate acronym in his ears. He has taken over the republican party. He won’t be able to take over christianity. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870/112 "2024-07-28T22:35:58Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > As he admitted that he is not a christian himself (cite → the video in question) I guess that makes him a ChINO, a Christian In Name Only. …if he admits he’s not one, then isn’t that the _opposite_ of “in name”? Like, I’m not an Army veteran; I’m mentioning that now; I wanted to make it clear, and so I said so. Do I now have to worry that someone will nod knowingly and say I’m an Army veteran in name only? ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870/113 "2024-07-28T22:53:26Z")
I disagree. Have you seen the Christians wearing their Trump garb? They have crosses and statements prominently shown. And spewing the most vile filth and lies out of their trump-holes. And profess to be Christian? I’m not sure that’s what Jesus taught.🤔 They must have missed the Sunday school class that day, about being god-fearing, don’t practice Idolatry, don’t hate, turn your other cheek. Oh hell, they haven’t darkened a church door in years. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870/114 "2024-07-28T23:14:44Z")
But no! They go (reasonably) faithfully to the churches where the preacher thunders denunciations against all the folks they hate and despise. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870/115 "2024-07-28T23:20:09Z")
> [@jlh3rd](#): > > I’ll bet real christians, not straight dope board posers, know exactly what he meant. trump doesnt have many such supporting him. He has Right wing evangelicals, who have abandoned the words of Jesus in their hate and bigotry. Remember- about half the US Christians voted for Biden, not trump. trump does not have the general support of christians- he has the support of a significant vocal minority of them. So generalized attacks on all Christians is a very poor idea. It is NOT Christians- it is that subset of them. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870/116 "2024-07-28T23:21:30Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > As he admitted that he is not a christian himself (cite → the video in question) I guess that makes him a ChINO, a Christian In Name Only. I wondered about that line myself. Does he say “I am no Christian”, or “I am a Christian”? If it’s the former, that’s the craziest thing he has ever said. It’s true, but it’s idiotic to say it out loud. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870/117 "2024-07-28T23:48:19Z")
The significant majority of white Christians support Trump. > Trump draws support from: > > - 81% of White evangelical Protestant voters > - 61% of White Catholics > - 57% of White Protestants who are _not_ evangelical > **[Voters’ views of Trump and Biden differ sharply by religion](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/30/voters-views-of-trump-and-biden-differ-sharply-by-religion/)** > > Most registered voters who are White Christians would vote for Republican Donald Trump over Democrat Joe Biden if the 2024 presidential election were held today. Yes this is months old, but the numbers haven’t changed much. White Christianity _is_ effectively Trumpism. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870/118 "2024-07-28T23:55:18Z")
That’s mostly driven by whiteness, not by Christianity. Self-identified non-Christians are uncommon enough in this country that there can’t be significant differences in trends between Christians and the country as a whole (or between white Christians and whites in the country as a whole, etc.). ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870/119 "2024-07-29T00:04:31Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > In context, if stated by a person, instead of trump, I would have taken it to mean that if you are the type of christian that doesn’t vote, just do it this one time, after which I will prove my ways so I will be voted in again overwhelmingly and you can Except if Trump is elected, that will be his second term. He seems to be implicitly stating he will violate the 22nd amendment and hang around after that. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870/120 "2024-07-29T00:07:04Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > It’s true, but it’s idiotic to say it out loud. Wait, hol up, you’re not suggesting Trump would say something stupid out loud are ya? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-in-4-years-we-ll-have-it-fixed-you-won-t-have-to-vote/1004870.md?page=7)